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Old 10-28-2002, 11:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Because your inbox is full, and I couldn't send you this personally, I figure the rest can learn along with myself...if your willing. So, you're an illustrator, really? I guess it makes sense, considering the way your drawings come to life. I don't know if most people would really notice how you got that case to look like it has a glossy finish just by the way you used white, and stopped with the darker color on the trim piece ( middle, right side..the thin strip)

These are the things that ellude me. My strength has always been with cartoon drawings, not technical. I'd be happy to show you some of my work if you are interested.

I guess my curiosity got piqued when I found out that you have the ability, and knowledge that I've been wishing for. It's mostly for my personal satisfaction, but in reality I haven't had the desire to draw since I came to the board and got interested in the whole avatar creation. You sir, have become somewhat of a mentor to me, although you may not know it

I've started drawing again, got me creative juices flowing! I just can't seem to get them down on paper the way I'd like. I'm really sick of just doodling, and want to put the finishing touch on my work. So, if you have any suggestions, I'd be a willing student of the art. I'd love to see something of yours from start to finish, just to learn the techniques involved.

Don't let this all go to your head though I just happen to be surrounded by no talent losers that look to me as a creative genius...seriously! It's nice to be able to talk to others that can out do my work. It's hard to learn when you're the best you know

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Old 10-29-2002, 08:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi, Red! My apologies about the inbox, and also for missing your post.

I am so delighted to hear that you are drawing again, and if I have played some part in that, I am very gratified! I'm most happy to share anything I can about drawing, and if nobody minds, I'll (happily) give whatever lessons I can:

We'll concern ourselves here with Technical Rendering (since that's what you're asking about).

The thing to remember is that it is all a process. You start, change, then stop, like every action in life. Anything you do, is composed of these three steps.

Step one: START: You have an idea. You begin with the basic form and shapes....
(Technical aspect) You get a sketchpad or something, and begin sketching away in pencil, not worrying about getting it perfect, just have fun...lotsa lines, sometimes you get messy, sometimes you get it pretty quick.

Now you've got your basic form and shapes. Take a black pen and go over the pencil mess and get your lines established just the way you like.

Step two: CHANGE: What I did next is to take a piece of really good paper, and trace the "good" lines onto it in India ink.
(Technical aspect) The paper is 100% rag paper, which takes marker really well; it doesn't "bleed" and the colors show up "true". The markers don't smear the India ink, because the ink isn't affected by the markers. Or anything else!

BTW, at this point, I fasten this (very thin) paper to illustration board...that way, it doesn't rip or warp or curl...I use Scotch #77 Spray-mount. Now I have a substrate that will stand up to whatever I do to it next. The picture is laid out in fine lines, just waiting for the first splash of color.

I used markers to "tone" the pic, then Prismacolor pencils to add "fussy" color accents and textures. The hard white details are paint, called "Designer's Gouache"...this is kind of like poster paint (tempera paint) buts comes in little tubes, and is much finer. It's also really easy and fast to use!

Step three: STOP: The hardest part for an artist, LOL!
At this point, you kinda know that it's there...the hard thing to know is WHERE to stop, and many an illustration has been ruined by "overworking" a piece. I guess you just have to do it enough times to where you know where that point is.

Anyway, if you view the creation of anything as a series of processes, you will see right THROUGH the steps, all the way through Start, Change, and Stop.

(This also applies to how you run your life, too.) Hope you liked this, and I hope it helps.

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Old 10-29-2002, 08:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Knot your inbox is always full.

That is interesting perpective to how an artist does there work. Learn something new everyday.
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Old 10-29-2002, 08:34 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Check it out RF It's knottheads site.

I've looked some of his art in the eye and it's awesome!
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Boy o boy have I ever overworked my art before! I think my problem ( and I'd bet you have a smidge of this problem too, Knot ) is being your worst critic. Don't care if Michelangelo himself was staring over your shoulder telling you what you were doing wrong...you are still more critical of your work than anyone else in the world. Which of course, is why I overwork/think my work most of the time. It's also one of the reasons I sit in front of a blank piece of paper for an eternity, waiting for something to evolve in front of me, because all my ideas just suck right now.

Ugh...art really does imitate life. I'm going to go all out for a Xmas version of my Avatar, whatever it ends up being. I'm certainly open to suggestions.

I had a feeling that you didn't just use markers to color your drawings. Hard part for me is coloring to imitate light reflecting off different things ( cloth, polished wood, my head...etc ). Never could quite get that down ( usually the part I way overworked )

Oh, and another thing...I've never done steps one and two on purpose. I've always gone straight to the finished product. Of course, I am doing step 1 and 2 now that I am converting pen and pencil to digits and pixels

I've got some work ahead of me. Hopefully we'll all see some progress!
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btw, thanks for taking time to explain the process. It's a good start for me.
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Old 10-29-2002, 10:14 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Quote:
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I had a feeling that you didn't just use markers to color your drawings. Hard part for me is coloring to imitate light reflecting off different things ( cloth, polished wood, my head...etc ). Never could quite get that down ( usually the part I way overworked )
Heh, that's a whole 'nother discussion; meaning, the way an artist looks at things. In THIS instance, it's about light, shadow, and contrast. It's a whole different thing. If I can possibly help, will happily oblige you.

Oh, and another thing...I've never done steps one and two on purpose. I've always gone straight to the finished product. [/QUOTE] That's why so many men make love so badly. (hee, hee...cheap shot, I know...)

Repeat after me: Start, Change, Stop.

I've got some work ahead of me. Hopefully we'll all see some progress! [/QUOTE] Let me know if I can help, buddy!
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Cheap? Yes. Good? Yes. LOL.

I'll definetely let you know if I run into a snag. I didn't exactly choose an easy name to build an avatar off of, although it does have some possibilities. Your avatar, and name work so well on so many levels. I can't exactly run around saying "Red" this, and "Fury" that.... I've got time though. Something will emerge, something I can truly call my own and be damn proud of.

Kinda nice to have a mission in life for once, even if it is mildly trivial
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Old 10-29-2002, 10:29 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Kinda nice to have a mission in life for once, even if it is mildly trivial
LOL, Red, not trivial at all.

Life is art, and art is life....to those in the know...
hehehee...and there's a LOT of those people here.

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