Own(ed) a handgun?

An issue that hasn't been brought up yet is that the ammo used also affects the reliabiltiy of a automatic/semi-automatic firearm.

[Warthog]

If you call arguing the case being "defensive", I don't know what to say.....

Personally, I've only ever heard of every law enforcement - federal state and local - switching to Glocks and not away from them. I've read TONS of information about them, both online and in the book form....this is rather hard to believe. Not saying you are lieing or anything, but still....seems to be in the minority.

I can't answer everything and do not know why Glocks are not a Spec Ops handgun. Regardless, this won't stop me from buying or relying on a Glock. Heckler & Koch also makes ultra fine firearms...this is what the Spec Ops community does use:
http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages..._frameset.html

Warthog

[desmocat]

MMMM...H&K.. my next one...

[Warthog]

[Mntsnow]

Be aware that politic's also play a very HUGE part in what firearm is choosen for these types of contracts.

Remember the Military & the other Goverment agencies have left Colt, Browning, Berretta in the past and will leave H&K, Glock, Sig and others in the future....

One issue that came into play is the type of safety that is in use on the Glock firearm.

2 of the local law enforement agencys that I regularly shoot with also fairly recently changed from the Glock...NOT because of performace/reliablity issues....but strickly because another manufacturer received the new supply contract.

I will be happy to put my Glock up against an H&K, Kimber, Walther, Colt, Sig, ect ect and I know it will perform just as well as the others and in many cases better.

I base this on the field test reports done by indepentant testers for the gun magazines and the reports/tests I've been told about, from the actual field testing by law enforcement agencies and lastly my own person experiance with the above listed firearms..... I have owned a Sig & a Walther and SOLD both as they were not as comfortable and natural to shoot as the one's I currently have. I have shot fairly extensively everyone of the gun's I have listed.

My Glock can be filthy dirty and still function reliably compaired to my Kimber or Springfield which btw were TWICE the cost of my Glock and come from HIGHLY recommended manufacturers as well.

Just so you clearly understand where I come from on the subject.

They are popular with the people that do not understand the daily requirements of combat or law enforcement.

and just how in the heck do you come up with a statement like that? Are you trying to say I dont understand the requirements of a combat pistol? If you are let me tell you....you are sadly mistaken

[sharder8]

and just how in the heck do you come up with a statement like that? Are you trying to say I dont understand the requirements of a combat pistol? If you are let me tell you....you are sadly mistaken

Mntsnow, you made the statement, "Why is the Glock one of the most common and widely recognized firearms for being a defensive pistol?" I was giving an answer based on what I have heard from many people! They bought it because it was the "in" gun to buy, or they wanted it because it was different (composite). These were people much different than you, me, military, or law enforcement! Because the vast majority of the people fit into this catagory and they buy for reasons based on looks, popularity, etc., the Glock IS popular.

I've gotten to the point where I don't even pick up a gun mag anymore. Why, because many of the articles on guns are very biased in favor of who is buying the biggest and most ads. When was the last time you picked up a gun mag that was praising the heck out of one brand, yet was full of advertising a different manufacturer? The mag is going to side with whoever is paying the bills.

Harder

[Creatures]

Originally posted by shahani


They need them to protect themselves fom bad Americans who enter their homes uninvited with intent to harm.

So if they have guns, lots of guns, then they can protect themselves and shoot the bad Americans.

Dead.

Get it?

can you shoot a man who's getting into your house??
i heard you can warn him once and then shoot at him is that true??

Creatures

[desmocat]

sharder, I see your point, it's the same with motorcycles to a degree as well, whats hot this year is a has been the next.
I have a term for that, blue chip turned to cow chip..
Glocks seem to have been "glamuorized" by hollywood in a lot of the gangsta movies as well as some of the gangsta rap tunes. (I refuse to call it music).
Another one is the Desert Eagle, it seems to be the weapon of choice for AHHHNold, and quite a few others in the action movies, but having owned one, there is NO WAY I would rely on one for defense , as they can be finicky and need to be kept clean, as well as showing a preferance for certain types of ammo to get proper function. It was fun as he!! to shoot, but not real high on the practicality list

I base my buying decisions on how the weapon performs for me, and I do look at some of the tests in the mags, but I take them with a grain of salt. As long as they don't show some glaring design fault,it's kind of subjective. I will try out several different models if at all possible and I try to ask people who own the model I'm interested in how it works for them.

When it comes to motorcycles, I buy the american rags to read about them, but if I want to really find out how a bike is in the real world, I get the british bike mags, they tell it like it is, no holds barred, and if a bike is a P.O.S, they will call it exactly that, where it seems the american mags dance all around the issue, calling it "quirky", or "narrow focused"..

[Knothead]

Another point that hasn't been made (least, I don't think so, anyway,) is the effect of modifications on a semi-auto handgun.

My Detonics .45 (which was made in Washington, USA) was a tad finicky out of the box. As Fingers noted, certain types of ammo can, and will, cause failure.

I had the ejection port opened up and sculpted a bit (couldn't help it ) and the interior ramp polished.

VOILA! It has NEVER failed since, even filthy dirty, in over 6 or 7,000 rounds fired. Wadcutters, semi-wads and steel ball tip loads, I would bet my life on it!

I am now of the semi-opinion that it will cheerfully discharge moose patties, as long as there's an appropriate load behind it.

One of these days I'll put up a picture of my rifle, a .250-3000 Savage bolt-action from the 1920's...the rifle itself is *pleh*, but the restock this guy did back in the '60's, is the most beautiful piece of woodworking I have ever seen, (that's why I bought it.)

[SPEEDO]

Who would have thought that people with computers would be into firearms, And some choice stuff indeed.

Hey Knot! I always wanted to get one of those Detonics but there getting real scarce these days............

SPEEDO