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Old 09-30-2002, 05:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Kids Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD)

We have been hearing a lot on the TV news about WMDs. To my understanding they include:

1) Chemicals (Poisons both water and air borne)
2) Biological (again, air/water dispersed)
3)Nuclear ("dirty bombs" as well as conventional nuclear "bombs")

Are there any more? What about these ICBMs? Don't they cause "Mass Destruction" or are they "smart"?

And just plain conventional bombs they drop out of airplanes? Don't they cause mass destruction as well?

Machine gun fire? From airplanes (strafing?).

And what about just troops armed with highly sophisticated weapons that "see" in the dark?

Any comments?

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Old 09-30-2002, 06:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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ICMB's are nuclear weapons. Yes they cause mass destruction. Especially when detonated at ground level.

Mass destruction is causing damage to very large areas and / or very large groups of people... (my unofficial definition)
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Old 09-30-2002, 06:37 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Nukes while they hold the key to our destruction they also hold the key to our survival in the case of space junk (asteroids).

The risk of an asteroid hitting us, though remote in the short term, is a very real risk. That risk could wipe out humanity and render the top 99% of life on earth extinct (including the spotted owl). Nukes probably will never be used on a planetary destruction level. Asteroids will almost guaranteed. Perhaps that will be in 1,000,000 years but some day.


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Nukes/biological/chemical weapons are WOMD because they are indiscriminant killers.

Carpet bombing still is mor discriminant than a nuke. Soldiers are extremely discriminant each target is selected and dispatched(night vision increases the discriminate nature of the soldier).

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they shouldn't build such bombs

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Would you change your tune if a 7 mile wide asteroid was on a collision course with earth?
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Old 09-30-2002, 06:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Epidemic, so you're saying that conventional bombs are NOT WOMD? They too cause indiscriminate killing of innocents.

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Correction. Only the US and European countries should have them. No one else. Read "Animal Farm"? Some folks are more equal than others. Period.

Ergo, its Ok for the US to stockpile enough WOMD to destroy the planet 20 times. It's also OK for the US to have the largest stockpile of chemical and biological weapons on the planet. But not anyone else. 'Cause they may not know when to use 'em. The US, on the other hand, knows.

Not being sarcastic but stating facts.
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The phrase is a fairly recent one, and as you say encompasses nuclear, biological and chemical weapons (which is a bit of a mouthful, so "WMD" trips off the tongue more easily for politicians and journalists). ICBMs are nuclear strategic weapons, so they fall into the category.
The main criteria are: they can be used to attack large numbers of people/buildings simultaneously, and do not discriminate between combatants and non-combatants.

The latter point can be tempered by their usage - i.e. all have valid military applications - there are circumstances where their use against troop concentrations, a carrier fleet, or a bunker might be appropriate - but on the whole "weapons of mass destruction" tends to refer to their deliberate usage against civilians, either for plain terror, or to destroy morale or the economic base of a nation at war.

Under the Geneva convention, it is very naughty to do this, not that it has ever stopped anyone.

As for the comparison with regular bombing, the difference is only really one of scale - it would take hundreds of B-52 carpet bombings to equal a single 10kt nuclear blast on a city. (370 loads in fact). Bio-weapons could potentially affect millions, especially with modern air transport to spread disease. Chemical weapons tend to be more local, although as Halabja proved, still potent enough to strip a town of life in an afternoon.

As for who has them - the US, UK, Russia, China, France and South Africa have at some point had all of them, Israel, Pakistan and India now have nukes, and pretty much any other country with a university-level laboratory could potentially make bio and chem stuff.

You might find the relevant pages at http://www.fas.org/ to be of interest, they monitor proliferation and development of such weapons.
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Creatures,

Would you change your tune if a 7 mile wide asteroid was on a collision course with earth?
i think there are other way to get this asteroid off his orbit!

and we have enough time for that the next big asteroid comes in 30 years really near, but this one will not hit us.

and what should such a "little" bomb against a 7 mile wide asteroid??

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Old 09-30-2002, 06:54 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I am not sure if we have the largest stockpile of chem an bio weapons. Where do you get these facts I would like to read up on them.

We do have nukes that is sure. I do defend nukes because they hold the greatest power of all mans inventions. We may some day have a call for lots of power.

Some counties are more risky then others. I do not know how to keep the nuclear stock pile fair. But I think that vicious dictatorships are a risky bet. Stability of government is the best bet for now.

Finally conventional bombs do not destroy entire cities. So the use of them require +- 200 foot accuracy. So they may kill many but they are by far not cataclysm class.
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