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09-29-2002, 04:27 AM
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U.S. military action would result in “fierce war” leading to massive American casualt
http://www.msnbc.com/news/811728.asp?pne=msn
Somebody needs to put there foot in this guys teeth once and for all. If he wants a fight why doesn't he just put up a fight instead of placing his troops inside cities of innocent people! Everyone knows he is hiding his "Weapons". He has done moved them somewhere else. What our weapons inspectors are looking at is a setup. You can't deal with people like him. Once a lire always a lire! He's also a freaking' wimp! Our troops will fight you anywhere you'd like and still annihilate your measly army. He knows that so his only way to defend himself is to put his army in cities and towns so we WON'T go after him. That's about as bad a Tyson having to bite people to try and win fights. If you’re so tough, then come out and play! I'm sure we will be willing to play your game.
Hey Saddam........ GAME OVER!
Rant off...sorry....I just hate that guy.......
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09-29-2002, 07:52 AM
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I dislike and disagree with most pundits I see on MSNBC. Even their new anchors are pundits of sorts. The B in MSNBC (do you see where this is going....can you predict what I am about to say...  ) stands for BIAS. They are one of the most dangerous networks now and are worst than CNN...well, almost.... MSNBC is more blatant where CNN has a better way of hiding their extreme left wing socialist America-hating agenda.
I was amazed that in talking to a journalism major who is in training with me that they are actually TAUGHT how to get their liberal agenda across without looking like they are doing just that. This is very sad and very dangerous.
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09-29-2002, 08:13 AM
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Sad and dangerous I agree 100%.
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09-29-2002, 08:33 AM
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We need a Wall Street Journal TV network.
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09-29-2002, 08:44 AM
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We have NO FRIENDS in that region; just LESS ENEMIES. The region is litterally mideval ruled by very feudal monarcharies and religious figures. The most modern of the bunch are military dictatorships, like Sadaam Hussein.
Anamosity of the region to the west goes back 1000 years to the Crusades. The religious elements are still fighting it. More recent anger is from direct colonization.
We have to recognize the real danger in the area is the attempt to build a fundamentalist Central Asia Islamic empire. The Russians are fighting them in Chechnya. The Chinese are fighting them in the western provinces.
Remember, we are dealing with people in the region that thinks Iran is TOO LIBERAL!
So the real question is that if Saddam Hussein is replaced, does the replacement create a better or worse situation? An ineffectual new leader may make it easier for Iraq to become an outright Islamic state, like Iran!
It's like out here in California, to clean the air, MBTE was added to gasoline. The air is cleaner. But now, the ground water is being poisoned!
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09-29-2002, 09:36 AM
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Take this SADDAM! 
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09-29-2002, 09:38 AM
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Excellent point RayH.
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09-29-2002, 11:31 AM
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I think the reason that most of the arab countries are not with us is because they are dictators and they are clinging to power, also. If we were to get Iraq into a democratic system, most of the arab states will be shaking in their boots . Face it, they rule by oppression and intimidation like Iraq only with more finesse and chrisma. When Iraq falls, we can re-energize the process of destabilizing Saudi Arabia and Iran by empowering their people to throw the zealots out, And let freedom loving moderates in.
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09-29-2002, 12:59 PM
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Unfortuantely, war in that region has no simple answer. We are not ruthless enough to engage in wholesale extermination. A lot of the killing is revenge killing. That's why whole families and clans were eliminated--to decrease the amount of people to carry out a revenge.
If Saddam is removed, then the Kurds may move for an independent state. The Kurdish movement may spread across several existing countries. If the main body of the Kurd movement is for an Islamic republic, then removing Saddam Hussein has just aggrevated our problem.
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09-29-2002, 01:32 PM
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Sure MSNBC and CNN are biased. Which media isn't? New York Times? FOX News? Which media reports it factually without interjecting their owners' qualifications and biases?
That is the whole point free press. Democracy.
If we had all TV channels following FOX News, how would we be a better country than Iraq? What happens there or Cuba or Eastern Europe is that there's just FOX News there. Figuratively.
Since CNN is the number one watched cable news channel, there must be a reason.
People watch.
Why?
Because some agree with the views.
Personally, I find CNN a far more balanced channel than FOX News which is so blatantedly biased to one side that its hilarious. But that's my opinion. Everyone has the right to an opinion.
Chuckiechan's points are very valid. Don't forget, though, that moslems/arabs will always support moslems/arabs.
Just like the Jewish people will always support Jews. Or the Indians will always support non-moslems. No matter what.
There must always be opposing views for a meaningful debate to occur and for the democratic process to function.
About Saddam Hussain: well, he sucks.
Maybe my opinion is biased because I'm an Indian.
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