MSNBC's "Donahue" Talk Show Ratings Crater

[Klunker]

I love this...

http://www.drudgereport.com/urgent.htm

Phil Donahue, the "Great White Hope" of MSNBC and the liberal media, the guy who was trotted out as the liberals' answer to O'Reilly and Limbaugh, is turning out to be a millstone around MSNBC's neck. The ratings for his show have fallen to the LOWEST POSSIBLE LEVEL! He's dragging MSNBC's overall ratings into a black hole...

(I know, the "Drudge Report" is held in low regard by many, but the ratings figures quoted here are for real.)

[crazyray]

Just when you think the public has no sense at all, THIS happens.

[sven222]

hehe yeah
hey shouldnt this be in the community forums, I hardly call phil donahue's antics technical support

[osprey4]

Well, there are people here trying to fix their pickup trucks. Maybe trying to fix MSNBCs lousy ratings falls under technical support.

[Klunker]

I'm sorry, guys...I could have sworn I was posting this to the "IMO Community" forum. Don't know how I managed to screw it up... Figures I'd find a way...

[John C. Dechon]

Quote: "Just when you think the public has no sense at all, THIS happens."


The public -- about 75% of it -- really DOESN'T have any sense, Phil's ratings notwithstanding. Since America is at least 75% liberal, I am really surprised that Phil's show isn't doing LOTS better.

As for O'Reilly, he's a moderate at best, perhaps one hair's distance to the right of center which isn't much at all. The real conservatives are only on radio (G. Gordon Liddy, Limbaugh, North, Ted Nugent): They'd never get their own TV show...no conservative would...he/she would have as much chance of that as a conservative Ph.D. candidate would trying to get a tenure track spot at just about ANY American university (liberals say they want "diversity on campus" but they don't mean conservative diversity...how "intolerant" they are). Conservatives HAVE had TV shows in the past but were cancelled in short order. Even Alan Keys' show was not renewed and some time ago, the "gay" lobby shut down Dr. Laura's show.

In short, the American public, academia and the media are overwhelmingly liberal...they should be supporting their boy Phil against the "Great Right Wing Conspiracy."

John D.

[osprey4]

Originally posted by John C. Dechon
Since America is at least 75% liberal, I am really surprised that Phil's show isn't doing LOTS better.

John, have you seen the map showing which counties supported our president versus those that did not? Maybe the press is 75% liberal, but not our country.

Since I used percentages, does that count as technical support?

[crazyray]

The real conservatives are only on radio (G. Gordon Liddy, Limbaugh, North, Ted Nugent): They'd never get their own TV show...no conservative would

Careful...Rush has already been on TV...and off.

Just tryin' to keep the facts straight.

[RAR]

I'm not really into the political liberal-conservative stuff but to me it seems there is not really a clear-cut category that people can be lumped into. Most people venture into both categories depending on what their agenda's are at the time.

John D. you seem to have some knowledge on the subject, please show me how Phil Donuhue is a liberal and Ted Nugent or Rush L. is a conservative.

Here are the definitions I found to describe each. Please help me to understand exactly how one can be put into only one category when people seem to cross over sometimes.

Liberal - Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. One who favors greater freedom in political or religious matters; an opponent of the established systems; a reformer.


Conservative - Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change. One who desires to maintain existing institutions and customs; also, one who holds moderate opinions in politics; -- opposed to revolutionary or radical.

[Redwolf]

Eh, that's almost right. But many conservatives are radical (abortion comes to mind here), and it's the Democatic RIAA and MPAA trying to resist change.

For the most part, I think Tom Clancy described it best in Executive Orxders. One of the charactors say something along the lines of:

40% of the people will oppose you and 40% will support you no matter what you do. They are either hardcores or they were just raised that way. It's the 20% that you have to worry about.

Bill is Moderate, but I think he's conservative on everything but Marijuana and the Death Penalty (the latter is debatable, since he doesn't agree with it because he thinks it doesn't detour, not because it is inhumane).

I dare to say that there are actually MORE conservatives than liberals, we just don't hear about them nearly as often. We know that it's pretty close considering the 2000 election.

Here's the lowdown on the media IMHO:

Television:
Mostly Liberal, the most liberal being CNN and MSNBC. ABC and NBC are also conservative, but not as much as the aftermentioned. FOX is probably the most conservative major network IMO. Other than that, I don't watch CBS or PBS. TechTV is conservative, but isn't a major network.

Radio:
Many conservatives on smaller 'mirrored' networks, but the largest channel, NPR, is very Liberal.

Papers and Magazines:
Seems to be split:
Time- Liberal
Wall Street Journal - Very conservative
USA Today - Moderate to Liberal
Newsweek - Moderate to Liberal
New York Times - Dunno, never read
Smaller Newspapers - Conservative mostly