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Old 08-07-2002, 05:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Red Hat rep comming to my work

There is a Red Hat rep comming to my place of work. I wonder what sort of questions I should ask him.

Why is all Linux software worthless crap that can't do a damn thing and 15 years behind all Windows software.

Why is it so hard to install software.

Why does the fonts look bad.

Why doesn't my high end do something film scanner won't work with Linux.

Why can't I play Morrowind on Linux.

Why do Linux users say RTFM

Why does Xfree86 crash often

Why is the Linux GUI slow.

Why do you want my personal info just so I can update Redhat.

Why do Linux users flat out lie that GIMP is better then PhotoShop. Just read page 256 in the book The Joy of Linux where it says "The onboard tools for the GIMP rival any found in Adobe's PhotoShop". Yes that is a direct quote, a quote that is a lie. If Linux apps. where so good then why lie.

Why won't adobe and macromedia port any of their top quality get work done software to Linux. Is it because they know it won't sell because it is against the Linux religon to have comercial software http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/microsoft.html Commercial software is the great satan. Look at this petition linked proudly on the GNU home page http://www.petitiononline.com/pasp01/petition.html They think it is evil for companies to protect thier research. They want to steal it to make open source software better. They think all code should be open and it is evil for it to be closed. Guess what software is a product and it isn't evil to keep the source code closed and sell it. That is called capitalism and thank god for it.

I will tell the Redhat rep no thanks I want to run Windows which is stable, runs top quality software (that has evil patents) and is easy to use instead of being brainwashed by your cult.

Yes this is in responce so someone posting a microsoft rep is comming to my school what should I ask and I am mad!

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Old 08-07-2002, 05:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Why do Linux users say RTFM
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They feel they are k-rad uber 31337 haxors who dont need to answer petty questions. That and the probably dont know the answer. In defense I've found some folks are very helpful, or atleast try.

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Old 08-07-2002, 05:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Windows is made for everyone. Linux is not. Well, neither are a lot of things. I don't care to play Morrowind, for instance.

There is a lot of fan-boy (Sorry, Tom Pabst) type bashing on both sides. God knows I've been guilty of some myself.

So be a part of the problem, or not. It's your choice.
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Old 08-07-2002, 06:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Maybe you just need to upgrade to a better version of RH... 7.3 definately is not hard to install...
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Old 08-07-2002, 06:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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seems like ngc457 is quite the whiner. someone posted something legitimate(i believe at least) about a microsoft rep coming to their job (which would seem likely since weve had one or 2 at our office) and what questions to ask him. ummm, gee,,,a redhat rep coming to town. ok. i believe you. no really i do.
not.


man, all you do is complain yet you have linux still installed on your machine at home? i dont think anyone wants to hear you complain anymore. hell, i know i dont.

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wow, what great english skills you have. oops, i just turned immature by implying that. silly me.

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Old 08-07-2002, 06:56 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Oops.. I guess this thread is my fault. I mentioned ngc in the "MS rep is coming to my school post". My bad.

Hey ngc.. sorry if I offended you but you do have a habit of crashing linux threads so I thought if fair to mention you.

As for your questions, those the same exact questions you ask everytime you crap on a linux thread so don't expect a response from me there. I've already fed you once today...
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Old 08-07-2002, 07:00 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re: Red Hat rep comming to my work

Wow, a flamewar I can play in! I'm excited...


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There is a Red Hat rep comming to my place of work. I wonder what sort of questions I should ask him.
You should ask him why the heck he is there, and what free-be's he brought you.. =]

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Why is all Linux software worthless crap that can't do a damn thing and 15 years behind all Windows software.
Apache.. Need I say more? Define 'software' ... Since you say "all" software, I can only assume you mean everything. Perhaps you mean 'desktop software' (CD Burning, games, etc)
Perhaps you should keep in mind, linux wasn't designed for some little kid to get on his first computer and play the latest-and-greatest twitch game. It was designed to be a server, in a server environment, and to be a development machine, in a developmental environment.
Obviously, this is changing... And it will take time.

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Why is it so hard to install software.
rpm -ivh software.rpm
apt-get install software
tar -xvf software.tar ; make ; ./software-bin

Doesn't sound very hard to me.

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Why does the fonts look bad.
I didn't know the console had bad fonts.. Oh wait.. :P I agree, they *did* look horrible... Took a lot of tweaking back in the day to make Netscape readable. But those days are quickly fading with AA support, and better font-handling by WMs in X (And X itself).

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Why doesn't my high end do something film scanner won't work with Linux.

Why can't I play Morrowind on Linux.
I never understood this one. It's just silly. Why would you blame a company/person/whatever that packages a kernel with some utilities because company X didn't port their latest-and-greatest game/app/driver to Linux?
Whatever...I could I could complain that MS didn't port a ext2/3 driver to Windows, or that they didn't provide bash, and perl in Windows out of the box... Oh wait...That's not MS's reponsability...

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Why do Linux users say RTFM
Because (Just like in the Windows/OS2/Mac/AnyOS-World), there are real bastards who respond.
Ooor, it could be that the program comes with documentation, and your question is answered by #2 in the FAQ.
Some people actually say it for a reason. Don't expect the world to hand you every answer to all your questions on a platter.. Try getting off your bum and actually reading the docs.
But keep in mind, there are always bastards.. =]

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Why does Xfree86 crash often
Interesting...In the 6+ years I've run Linux+XFree, I've had it crash on me twice...
Maybe you could answer me this: Why does Windows 95 crash often? What about Win2k?
Reason number one: Drivers/modules/servers.
Reason number two: Misconfiguration.
Reason number three: Conflicts.
Reason number four: Bad coding.
As with any program, a coder cannot test on every piece of hardware attached to every piece of software out there. Ever notice how stable your Nintendo or Sega was? Guess why...

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Why is the Linux GUI slow.
Why is your video card slow? I don't have a slow GUI (Even across VNC), so I'm not sure what your issue is. But it could be the same reasons that make Windows slow: A lot of junk running in the background, or a lot of 'eye-candy' for your WM.
It could also be your video card is not fully supported by X, which again is not a fault of Linux (Or X, to be proper). Blame your video manufacturer for not writing drivers to support the OS.
Keep in mind, it's not Linux people's job to write drivers for someone else hardware. They may do it, but they are being rather nice when they do.

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Why do you want my personal info just so I can update Redhat.
Yeah, I agree...I don't use up2date, but I agree anyway.. =]
I imagine it's for marketing or something or anther.
On the other hand, you don't need up2date to update your RH boxen..

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Why do Linux users flat out lie that GIMP is better then PhotoShop. Just read page 256 in the book The Joy of Linux where it says "The onboard tools for the GIMP rival any found in Adobe's PhotoShop". Yes that is a direct quote, a quote that is a lie. If Linux apps. where so good then why lie.
Did every user of Linux out there right that book? Where are my darn royalties then! I think you owe me some money.. =]
Seriously, there is always going to be a nitwit out there who will say something that isn't true. If you run Linux, or if you run Windows, you should truely never believe what someone says until you prove it yourself.
Just don't assume every user of that software is going to agree with one person's point-of-view.


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Why won't adobe and macromedia port any of their top quality get work done software to Linux. Is it because they know it won't sell because it is against the Linux religon to have comercial software http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/microsoft.html Commercial software is the great satan. Look at this petition linked proudly on the GNU home page http://www.petitiononline.com/pasp01/petition.html They think it is evil for companies to protect thier research. They want to steal it to make open source software better. They think all code should be open and it is evil for it to be closed. Guess what software is a product and it isn't evil to keep the source code closed and sell it. That is called capitalism and thank god for it.
Again, how is this Linux people's fault? Should you be blamed for a piece of Linux software that isn't ported to windows? I would hope not.
I agree the market is probably not there for Linux software of this type. Maybe sometime in the future it will be, maybe not.
People buy Linux software, and not everyone agrees 100% with GNU. Get over it.
On a side note, capitalism has nothing to do with sourcecode.. =]

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I will tell the Redhat rep no thanks I want to run Windows which is stable, runs top quality software (that has evil patents) and is easy to use instead of being brainwashed by your cult.
Damn straight. You have the right to run a duck on your computer if you want. Don't let anyone think they can talk you out of DuckOS 3.7.
As for this brainwashing. I don't remember that software on my RH CD. You must have a much more cool version than I.


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Yes this is in responce so someone posting a microsoft rep is comming to my school what should I ask and I am mad!
Why are you mad?
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Old 08-07-2002, 07:07 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Wow gothic. Good response. Windows and Linux both have their strong points and their weak points.

Do you actually like wasting time saying one is better than the other?
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I can just feel the love in this thread, can't you?
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Old 08-07-2002, 07:18 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Why is all Linux software worthless crap that can't do a damn thing and 15 years behind all Windows software.
i guess i got a cool distro that doesn't fit your description. what distro are you using so i will know not to get it? not everything is great, but overall i like the software i use better than it's windows counter-parts (the exceptions being nero and games. i don't use or need photoshop, The Gimp is more powerful than i need it to be, much less photoshop).

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Why is it so hard to install software.
it's not

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Why does the fonts look bad.
they don't

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Why doesn't my high end do something film scanner won't work with Linux.
i dunno, mine works.

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Why can't I play Morrowind on Linux.
i dunno, i hate morrowind.

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Why do Linux users say RTFM
cause some users don't (of course there are also some real jerks out there, but of course that's true of users of every os, as we all know)

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Why does Xfree86 crash often
it doesn't

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Why is the Linux GUI slow.
it's not

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Why do you want my personal info just so I can update Redhat.
i don't even like you, why would i want to know about you? (btw i used redhat and never had to give out any info to them, heck i never even had any contact with them).

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Why do Linux users flat out lie that GIMP is better then PhotoShop
i dunno, photoshop is better.

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Yes that is a direct quote, a quote that is a lie
did you think everything that was written was true before? wow it must be earth-shattering to learn that sometimes books lie.

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being brainwashed by your cult.
there's a cult!?!? cool i wanna join!!!!

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Why won't adobe and macromedia port any of their top quality get work done software to Linux.
i dunno, i get lots of work done on Linux, and i never needed that software, nor did i need it in windows.

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Commercial software is the great satan
wow i'm glad you're here to tell me these things about my OS. i didn't know them, thanks.

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They think it is evil for companies to protect thier research. They want to steal it to make open source software better. They think all code should be open and it is evil for it to be closed.
once again, thanks for the FYI, i didn't know that. but i dunno, i just get kinda squirmish when independent companies are allowed to break the law. guess that makes me paranoid.

maybe i'm just not comparing Linux to the right OS. my answers seem to be different than yours. what OS are you comparing Linux to? i'm comparing Linux to windows. are you comparing it to OS X? (in which case i would agree with you).

EDIT: i really gotta stop feeding the trolls

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