Quackery.....

[Sweet]

I got my silly little BS in public health education from CMU, WSU and Rice U many moons ago.....

I quit school for a bit and worked as a manager in a health food store. The "doctor" had a mail degree in nutrition (80's). I went back to college because of his quackery.

It almost boils down to the ancient struggle of good v evil. What is right and what is wrong. Proof and evidence, validated by whom? Why? The FDA food pyramid, is it right or wrong?

So, as a simple internet idiot, I challenge you readers to investigate an incredibly simple theory.

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FLAX OIL plus Cottage Cheese (sulfer based). Does this combination have something special to offer people?
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Do ur "google" research on this and postulate your own hypothesis.

To add a tidbit of info to this, the MD in Germay advocating this "omega oil + sulfur" nominated for a nobel prize 5 times,
is she a quack, or is there something to this?

I feel morally obliged to ask this question.

[to the mods.... please delete this if you feel it is inadequate for this forum]

[Warthog]

http://lightsv.org/bud1.htm

First link @ google

I don't see any reason why mods would delete this....

Seems a 'natural' way to cure stuff?

[daveleau]

Too bad there are a lot of quacks out there. It is surprising how many of them get national attention. If they publish a controversial or different article, they get recognized even if they are a quack. I saw this many times in my years in research.

I bet none of them are Tigers though.... Geaux Tigers! SEC Champs, Baby! Yeah!

I'm an infection control practitioner by profession, Sweet, so I do a lot of stuff to validate claims by various people/groups about various processes. We have a company in Australia at the moment trying to sell us special vacuum cleaning processes claiming they reduce hospital infections by stopping bugs living on the carpets. They have lots of scientific proof that the process stops bugs living in the carpet. Sounds really good. What they fail to do is show how bugs gets from the carpet into patients. We don't operate on patients on the carpet, we don't rub their wounds on the carpet. So their "evidence" is flawed because it faisl to correlate the source with the intended prevention of bad outcome.

I'll have ago at your little "research" when I have time over the next few days, and post my results here. Just outa curiousity.

BTW, if you want to dig up some interesting info on stuff that some still think of as "quack", try searches on honey-based products and tea tree oil. Very interesting substances, but definitely not FDA approved!

Cheers
Mick

Just as a tidbit got this form Medline:

Eicosapentaenoic acid and sulphur substituted fatty acid analogues inhibit the proliferation of human breast cancer cells in culture.

Abdi-Dezfuli F, Froyland L, Thorsen T, Aakvaag A, Berge RK.

Department of Clinical Biology, University of Bergen, Haukeland Hospital, Norway.

Numerous studies have shown dietary fatty acids to influence the progression of several types of cancers. The purpose of the present investigation was to examine the influence of various types of fatty acids, including omega-3 fatty acids and a new class of hypolipidemic peroxisome proliferating fatty acid analogues, namely the 3-thia fatty acids, on MCF-7 human breast cancer cell growth. 3-thia fatty acids represent non-beta-oxidizable fatty acid analogues in which a sulphur atom substitutes for the beta-methylene group (3-position) in the saturated and unsaturated fatty acids. The effects of increasing concentrations of palmitic acid, tetradecylthioacetic acid (a 3-thia fatty acid), eicosapentaenoic acid, docosahexaenoic acid, and two 3-thia polyunsaturated fatty acids on the proliferation of MCF-7 cells, maintained in serum-free culture, were studied. At the highest concentration of fatty acid used (64 microM) tetradecylthioacetic acid was found to be the most effective of all fatty acids tested in inhibiting cell growth, whilst palmitic acid and docosahexaenoic acid had no significant effect on cell growth. Thus, of the two dietary polyunsaturated omega-3 fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid, only eicosapentaenoic acid possesses an inhibitory effect on the proliferation of MCF-7 cells. In all cases the inhibitory effect of the fatty acid was found to be reversible. Tetradecylthioacetic acid has been shown to be a potent peroxisome proliferator. It was, therefore, hypothesized that tetradecylthioacetic acid may inhibit the human MCF-7 cell growth by increasing the level of oxidative stress within the cell. However, use of agents which modify the cell's protective apparatus against oxidative stress had no influence on the inhibitory effect of tetradecylthioacetic acid. These experiments indicate that tetradecylthioacetic acid inhibits cell growth by mechanisms which may be independent of oxidative status.

Hmmm....

[Sweet]

Mick.... simple thoughts here..... carpet in hospitals???? Have u heard of Kawasaki's disease? It's related to (silly but real) carpet cleaning.

Thanks to Warthog, Dave and Mick fer taking this thread seriously.......

I am aware of metaleuca.... believe it or not my MD prescribed it a few yrs back.

There is another tree, (can't think of genus right now) that was presented to the HSA (Herb Society of America) that has potential curative possibilities..... grown in S.A. ...shute, name eludes me at the moment.....

Now some of this stuff is wholistic, some quakery and some downright miraculous. Wouldn't it be great to be around 200 years from now when they discover what really works.....

[Sweet]

HOLY MICKWISH!!!! I had a tongue twisting experience prouncing your info. I can prounounce it but am not currently able to synthesise the info. guilty of being ignorant.

I just don't get the 3-thia acids. I guess I need to see the organic components and bonds to understand better, but my limits on this is at a preschoolers. sorry...

and really no need to get too in-depth, I'm too old to learn too many new tricks, but ya never know......

Can yo possibly use your expertise and translate a bit for me (us).....


Thanks....

[Theophylact]

Can't speak to the validity of the omega-3- or -5 acid hypothesis. But here's one of my favorite sites.

Originally posted by Sweet

Can yo possibly use your expertise and translate a bit for me (us).....


Thanks....

OK. As far as I understand it, they tried some fatty acids (including omega3's) on some breasts cancer cells in a lab, and they had some effect on stopping growth that was independent of oxygen.

Which is different to what the German nutritionist's theory says. Doesn't mean flax oil is useless, just not the way she thought, maybe. Will need to find out if flax oil contains the actual fatty acid they found has an effect, too.

I'll do a deeper scan later.

Cheers
Mick