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Old 07-22-2002, 12:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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need some home repair help please

My mom stripped all of the wallpaper off a major section of our house in the last few days. I am supposed to do whatever it takes in order to paint these walls white.

currently, they look yellow (i think because of the wallpaper glue) and are uneven as you can imagine (residual glue/tears in drywall/etc.)

I'm curious how you all suggest that I go about patching holes and evening out the wall so that it can be painted as a smooth, textureless surface.

thanks a ton!
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Old 07-22-2002, 12:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What is this wall made of? Drywall (sheetrock), or lathe and plaster?
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Old 07-22-2002, 12:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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sheesh... i dont know for sure man... when I look at it, it looks like the normal drywall that I always deal with. about 3/4 of an inch thick, etc.

does that help?

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Old 07-22-2002, 12:57 PM   #4 (permalink)
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They make some open-mesh sanding fabric you can use to block-sand the walls. It'll be slow going by hand though. You're going to have to patch and spackle too. I've used plaster of Paris too. You can fix a lot of evils with that stuff, but it will shrink. Multiple coats are required to build up corners, etc.

It may be pretty difficult to get a really smooth surface, depending on the quality of the remaining wallboard. Badly damaged sections might have to be replaced. Several coats of paint will probably be needed to get it to flatten out, & you might do some sanding between coats.

This is why a lot of painters want to put some texture on walls like this. It saves a ton of prep work.
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Old 07-22-2002, 01:01 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Oh, okay, sounds like drywall to me...I think the best approach would be to get a large drywall trowel (that big rectangular bad boy) and use it to cover that wall with a thin layer of Topping Compound...let it dry, then sand it out.

Then, before painting, there's this stuff you roll over the fresh "mud" as a sort of primer...can't remember the name, but your paint store guy will know.

Hope that helps!
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Old 07-22-2002, 02:06 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Here's what I recommend in a few words...you may not need THIS much info, but I'm sure you can pull what you need!

1. Paint the damaged areas with polyvinyl acetate glue (sold as LePage's BondFast, Weldbond or Elmer's Wood Glue) diluted with enough water to make it into a paintable consistancy. Allow this glue to dry. As it does, not only will it glue all the fibers together so they won't swell and lift if they get wet, but it'll also act as a good moisture barrier for the dry paper underneath.
(PVA glue is not water proof, but only water resistant. This is beneficial here because a subsequent coat of wet plaster will re-activate the glue, causing the plaster skim coat to adhere better to the wall.)

2. After the PVA glue is dry, apply self adhesive fiberglass mesh drywall tape over the damaged areas. Apply two coats of fiberglass mesh drywalling tape with the rows of the second coat running perpendicular to the first, and painting over the tape with dilute PVA glue after each coat. The fiberglass mesh will replace the strength lost due to the missing paper, and the dilute PVA glue will bond the tape to the drywall as well as the orginal paper was bonded to it. Allow the PVA glue to dry after each coat of tape.

3. Using an adhesive trowel with small notches, spread joint compound over the repairs with the notched edge of the trowel and allow to dry. Once dry, hold the adhesive trowel upside down and fill in between the notch ridges with more joint compound, thereby establishing a thin but uniform skim coat of drywall mud over the repaired areas. Premixed joint compound will be very thick when you buy it, so don't be scared to thin it with water to make it into a more spreadable consistancy. I use an electric drill with an old kitchen mixer blade and a metal can to do this in.

4. Holding a bright light next to the wall to exagerate the rough areas, sand the joint compound smooth AND/OR apply more joint compound to areas that need it. Sand with sand paper if you're getting paid by the hour. The dust will clog up the paper, and you can waste a whole day getting nothing done. If you're working for yourself, use a 100 grit sanding screen in a hand sanding tool, and slip a 3M green nylon Scotchbrite pad (of the kind sold in grocery stores for cleaning pots) between the sanding screen and the tool. This will allow the dust to pass through the screen where it can be removed from the nylon pad by holding the tool horizontaly about 1/4 inch from the wall and tapping the tool lightly against the wall so the dust falls out the side of the tool.

5. Wipe the dust off the smooth plaster with a dry rag, prime and paint. What I don't like about primers is that they're made thicker so they don't spatter as much when used with a roller. The problem is that being thicker, they don't penetrate as well into bare drywall mud, and only form a film over top of it. This is all you need most of the time, but if you subsequently put masking tape over that primer and pull it off, it'll pull the primer film right off the plaster. What I like to do us use a roller to paint dilute PVA over the bare plaster and allow it to dry. This glue gets absorbed into the bare plaster much more readily and glues all the gypsum grains together as it dries. Use a roller and go over it ONLY once or twice. If you want to go over it again, wait for the first coat to dry, then go over it again. Plaster will become softer if it gets wet from this dilute adhesive, and you can muck up your smooth surface at this point if you're not aware that the plaster is soft. After the glue dries over those bare plaster patches, then prime and paint.

Or you can click HERE to view these instructions on the web.


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Old 07-22-2002, 02:34 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Give a sanding to even out the glue gobs. If there's lots of glue get some glue remover! (sold in the wallpaper department of where else? Home Depot) heehee or just use a wet sponge (water)
Spackle where needed. Prime it, and paint it.
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Nice Avatar Surreal.

Got one word for this situation.

PANELING

or listen to Martoch And Knothead
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I like surreal's version best...

As for panelling... Well... uhh... yeah...

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surreal just about covered it, clean it down as best you can fill any holes with sheetrock mud ,sand it smooth. I doubt you will ever get it smooth enough for just white paint,
a trick ive used, mix s/r mud thin enough to put it on the wall with a paint roller, then go over with a blade lightly to smooth down the peaks, this covers many ills on the wall.
in fact every new home Ive seen lately have textured walls. they shoot it on. takes less skill and craftmanship. which now a days is in short suppy
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