California (LA) and Oklahoma...completely different scenarios

[daveleau]

First, before responding, I would ask that you watch botht eh California nd Oklahoma videos concerning the police before commenting.

I have to say that the california video of the police arresting that 16 year old boy is disturbuing. I wonder what drove the cop to do that. He was obviously upset so much by this kid that he'd hit him whil ehe was cuffed. Unless the kid did something heinous (shot at or tried to stab the cops or a civilian), there is no reason for this. I think this cop will lose his job and may go to jail for this.

As for Oklahoma. That 300 pound man is oviously a threat. Who knows if he has a gun. He is resisting arrest. He is not subdued (the key difference here) and the police must use force to try to get the man in cuffs before they are killed by him (if he has a gun or knife). It doesn't matter what he did or what he actually has. He is resisting arrest and is a large threat to those policemen. As you can see, they are not trying to hit him in the head. they hit him around the waste legs and arms trying to get him to release his grip and get him to submit. He was totally in the wrong and the police were right in what they did.

Kudos to the OK police.
The opposite to the LAPD.

My .02
Dave

[MrEd]

I guess you didn't see the 4" gash on the Officers face in front of his left ear? It was from a knife that the kid pulled and used on him. I take the side of the cops here on this one; they could have shot him, but didn't.......

[Theophylact]

Haven't seen either, Dave, but there sure are good cops as well as bad ones.

[caddmannq]

Originally posted by MrEd
I guess you didn't see the 4" gash on the Officers face in front of his left ear? It was from a knife that the kid pulled and used on him. I take the side of the cops here on this one; they could have shot him, but didn't.......

Whoa! I didn't see that either. He stabbed a cop??? They should have shot him!

[Mike]

Well the cop still shouldn't have hit him after because then the kid would go to jail and no one would care, but it's the fact that the police punched him in the face and slammed his head into the back of the cruiser.

I don't know about the Oklahoma video, the guy had one wrist cuffed and was sitting on the ground asking the cop why he was getting beaten. In that video I saw the cop take a few cheap shots to the mans head even when he was on his stomach laying on top of both his hands without moving.

[MrBaseball]

The kid in la punched the police officer as he tried to arrest him which is what left the big gash on his head. I talked to my cousin (who is a police officer) and he says slamming the kid on the car was, in a sence, procedure. He said there was nothing wrong with that... but he felt that punching the kid (actually if you watch, he never really touched the kid) went a little over board.

Remember guys, we saw 20 seconds of a 20 minute ordeal. As far as the defence that the kid is "retarded" or "slow" that's a bunch of crap. If the kid is fast enough to PUNCH a police officer, that kid needs to be delt with. IMO the kid got what he deserved, wether it was justified or not.

Anyone have a link to the OK video? I havn't seen it yet.

[MrBaseball]

slammed his head into the back of the cruiser.

He slammed his chest, not his head. There is a difference. Chest planting a suspect is standard procedure used to put the suspect into the car or to cuff someone.

[Mike]

and he says slamming the kid on the car was, in a sence, procedure

I don't know, you can tell in the video he didn't place him on the back of the cruiser he THREW him down.

[MrBaseball]

want to read a good thread about this? go here

It's a hunting board I post at. Good thread there.

[MrEd]

Just saw the footage for the OKC officer. He did an outstanding job I think. He remained calm and did everything by the book as far as I could tell.

Mike-- You obviously don't know anything about police apprehension and subdule techniques. The guy was given the order to lay on the ground and put his hands behind him so he could be cuffed. Most people think they are being arrested when the cop pulls out the cuffs, but in some cases it's only for officer safety. The guy outweighs the cop by at least 200 lbs, he's hiding something (drugs is the speculation) in his mouth, the cop is just doing his job in detaining the person in his investigation. The guy resists when he doesn't comply period. As for the Inglewood cop, if someone cuts you with the intention of doing bodily harm or worse, even after he is subdued, wouldn't you want to get in a shot or two. It was excessive, yes, but to a degree. It's all in the eye of the beholder in situations like these. I worked the beat for three years, and I don't condone what the Inglewood cop did, but I do give him kudo's. Both of these situations could have been A-L-O-T worse, but they weren't.