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Old 06-02-2002, 08:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Kids Something to think about?

I received this in an email from my sister. After reading it (multiple times) I felt that I had to share it with my friends here at TechIMO.



THINK ABOUT THIS ONE

This joke today is not intended to be a joke, it's not intended to be
funny, it's intended to get you thinking.


Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this happen?" (regarding the attacks on Sept. 11).

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of
our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our
lives. And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?" In light of recent
events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.

I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered,her body found recently) she complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school... the
Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son
committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Then someone said teachers and principals better not discipline our children when they misbehave. The school administrators said no faculty member in this school better touch a student when they misbehave because we don't want any bad publicity,and we surely! don't want to be sued (there's a big difference between disciplining, touching, beating,smacking, humiliating, kicking, etc). And we said OK.

Then someone said, let's let our daughters have abortions if they
want, and they won't even have to tell their parents. And we said OK.

Then some wise school board member said, since boys will be boys and they're going to do it anyway, let's give our sons all the condoms they want so they can have all the fun they desire, and we won't have to tell their parents they got them at school. And we said OK.

Then some of our top elected officials said it doesn't matter what
we do in private as long as we do our jobs. Agreeing with them, we said it doesn't matter to me what anyone, including the President, does in private as long as I have a job and the economy is good.

Then someone said let's print magazines with pictures of nude women and call it wholesome, down-to-earth appreciation for the beauty of the female body. And we said OK.

And then someone else took that appreciation a step further and
published pictures of nude children and then further again by making them available on the Internet. And we said OK; they're entitled to free speech.

Then the entertainment industry said; let's make TV shows and movies that promote profanity, violence, and illicit sex. Let's record music that encourages rape, drugs, murder, suicide, and satanic themes. And we said it's just entertainment,it has no adverse effect,nobody takes it seriously anyway, so go right ahead.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure
it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell! Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire, but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely
through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they WILL think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it...
no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in!


Are you thinking?

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Old 06-02-2002, 08:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow, that's good kuasi, I'm glad you posted it, it's being printed out as I type, how sad it is that it's true .

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Old 06-03-2002, 08:17 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Exactly !

Well put, I hope more people read this, it should be quite sobering.
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Somebody finaly put in word's what I've been thinking for a long time!
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Old 06-04-2002, 09:16 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Well, I just spent a good while typing a reply here, and my login timed out and the whole friggin' thing was wiped out. So, here's the condensed version:

If you believe that, as she's saying, we deserved what we got, then Bin Laden and his cronies were justified in doing what they did. If you believe that we're reaping what we've sown, then what the hell are we fighting for? You think we should just roll over and accept the "punishments" these guys wish to do to us and our families, because we have slighted Him?

I think that's a huge load of hors#it. If you believe that, you might as well tell our soldiers in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Korea, the Phillipenes, et al. that "we're just getting what we deserve....you're fighting for nothing," and erase the huge defense spending authorizations right now.

Accepting this as out fate undercuts what we believe in, and gives terrorists the world over a stronger foothold in their "jihad" against the free world.

~Edit: BTW, what's in the original post is not her exact words....the gist is the same, but here's the actual transcript:http://www.cbsnews.com/earlyshow/hea...piritual.shtml

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Old 06-04-2002, 10:10 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Yawn.

Even if we were a purely Evangelical Christian nation, Bin Laden would still be p*ssed at us cuz we wouldn't be Muslims, now wouldn't he? Besides, what if not everybody in the US is a Christian? I'm not. The United States isn't, under law, a Christian nation. There are nations that are. Go move there.

Besides, the real reasons that Bin Laden attacked us are not because we are tolerant or Christian or because we allow homosexuals to not be stoned to death or whatever. The real reasons are:

1. We provide military support to Israel, who stole land from Muslims in 1967.
2. We forced sanctions on Iraq, which contributed to the hardship and suffering of Muslim civilians in that country.
3. We support the government of Saudi Arabia (which he has a beef with) and have military bases there (infidels in the Muslim Holy Land, in his opinion).

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Old 06-04-2002, 10:31 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Yeah, I saw this a few years ago as a FAX.

I have to disagree with the notion expressed here that the ills of mankind are owing to our alleged "suppression" of God in our lives. That our lives here on earth are subject to troubles because we don't pray enough, or publicly enough, or that we don't live a "religious lifetyle", (which would tend to change from faith to faith.)

I think all the troubles in the world are created by PEOPLE. The Masses. Us. I don't care for the idea of a few deeply religious people assigning the blame for the world's worries on the rest of us who may not share their belief system. I have known far too many of these 'pious' types who cheat others (myself included) in the name of Jesus.

Not that I am criticising or condemning the truly Pious. Not at all.

But the cause of this failing in people is GREED. It always boils down to greed. Greed for money, greed for power. I have seen whole religions get turned around by greed, and so have you.

And greed is, by and large, a trait of humans. It ain't spiritual, in fact it's the opposite of true spirituality.

So therefore, and just IMO, we have a LOT of improving to do on ourselves. I think the great Father would like to see that too. See us taking some responsibility for our condition and improving it, instead of the endless tugging on His (allegorical) sleeve to save us in spite of ourselves.

Although, now, if we were to pray for help in overcoming this failing (greed) I'll bet something could be worked out... Sounds like a fairly good idea to me!
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Old 06-04-2002, 07:49 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Very well put, Kuasi, and thought provoking.
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Old 06-04-2002, 09:09 PM   #9 (permalink)
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