Conservatism, Liberalism, Doctrines and Systems

[ClubMed]

What is it that the conservatives are afraid of losing? What values do they wish to keep and preserve?. Can these values remain over time, or will they evolve and perhaps change?

What is it that the liberals want to change? What values do they wish to introduce?

What will benefit the future of humanity more, being conservative or liberal? Or perhaps a mixture of both? Is that possible?.

Over time there is change, whom does this suit more, the conservative or the liberal?

Are modern political doctrines easily discernable ? Aren't they assimilating more and more ? Or could it be that they will diverge more and more over time ?

The founding fathers (of any nation), were they being conservative or liberal when they created the constitutions? Maybe a bit of both?

As a bonus, what will be the future of humanity: 1) one entity with one government 2) 3-4 blocks each with its own government 3) more entities than we have today with their respective governments?

And in your opinion, which scenario would benefit humanity more ?

Just a few questions that I thought of while reading this thread

I will not repeat the behavioural mistakes I made earlier

Thought provoking. Will post later - busy with some work.

[MegalosSkylaki]

" The true conservative is one who wants to keep the best of the old, while bringing in the best of the new"

Thomas Mann Confessions of a Non-Political Man.

[Epidemic]

If you are conservative as a child you are unkind and if you are a liberal when you are mature you are a fool.

In general it has been my experience that you cannot give people things or they expect them. That is not to say you can not help them. The results of giving is a reduction of self worth and self esteem. This is evidenced by the statements of welfare recipients removed from the rolls in the 90's. Although their wealth had not increased much their self esteem was higher. This will translate into future improvement in lifestyle for them and subsequent generations. Liberals believe in doing for every one. This is a nice sentiment but does not work and costs a fortune, and within 2 generations destroys communities.

Conservative - does not want change for changes sake. Before change is to take place you must prove the benifit to society as a whole. This is why they usually side with big business. Where would money be best spent on creating jobs or give aways. Money spent on business keeps giving back and money spent on give aways is gone and needs replenishment.

Liberals wanted to extend unemployment and republicans wanted to sure up business. The people who lost their jobs here would have liked to keep them rather than use their unemployment.

I find Liberal mentality to be truely nice but naieve. History proves over and over that you can not simply throw money at societies woes and expect them to go away.

The liberal mentality also is completely non judgmental and says that we must always please every individual. Hence Politically correct is a Liberal mainstay. Conservative says we will not change the world for the individual. While Liberal will change the world for the one.

Well, I am offended by cars that are red, because a red care ran over my dog as a child. No more red cars because they make me sad.

ally mcbeal episode, A company has a casual day once a month where people can wear bathing suits and hawian garments. One woman see this and feels left out because she does not feel compfortable in a bathing suit. So she tries to get millions because she felt uncompfortable. She agreed that this was not manditory, Nor did she complain but she felt she is eligible for the legal lottery.

[daveleau]

Conservatism wants to have people own up to their responsibility. Conservatives want equal opportunity for all. They also want "old school logic" in their decision making. They are based more on logic than emotion and look at numbers before deciding. They want less government and believe money begets money. (key issues: pro-death penalty, pro-life, pro-Christianity, anti-welfare (as we know it in the US), anti-affirmative action (as we know it in the US), pro-gun rights, pro-military)

Liberals want to make evrything better. They do not look at what caused a situation, they look at what needs to be done to rectify it whether or not the causality remains in effect. Liberals want equal results for all despite oppportunity. They go on what feels good, not on what is logical. Liberals are emotion based. They want more governement and believe that helping the poor is best way to stir economy. (Key issues- anti-death penalty, pro-choice, total separation of church and state, pro-welfare (want more welfare), pro-affirmative action, anti-gun rights (pro-gun control), anti-military)

[Epidemic]

daveleau,

Perty good.

[Warthog]

Interesting, Dave.

I'm still learning about political parties/groups/whatever...what you said is pretty much what I thought of each....I did vote 'conservative', which seemed to be the right thing to do for my beliefs.

[M_Six]

I was just thinking on my way to work today that there are some pretty messed up things with our form of government. On the other hand, I can't name a single foreign government system that I'd rather have here. The two party system has good and bad on both sides, but they seem to keep things in fairly good balance. I can think of many, many governments that are worse than ours, but none that are decisively better.

daveleau, I think your bold text descriptions of the two parties are about as perfect a description as I've ever heard, especially in such a succinct statement. Well said.

Personally I don't claim to be either. There are many issues where I side with conservatives, and others where I think the liberals have the right idea. I believe a well informed public is key to future stability. If you only listen to Rush and form your opinions based on what he says, you're only hurting yourself and future generations. The exact same thing is true if you only listen to the liberal point of view. Be intelligent. Listen carefully to both sides. READ about the issues. Don't base your opinions on the 15 second sound bites you hear on TV.

[MegalosSkylaki]

'Liberal Institutions' are liberal until they are established. Once Established, there are no more greater enemies of Liberty than Liberal Institutions

Friedrick Neitzsche ,19th Cent. Philosopher

The smallest , most innocent State is criminal in its dreams..

Mikhail Bakunin ,19 Cent. Philosopher

Ironically, both ended up living in Switzerland.

MegalosSkylaki

[ClubMed]

Just a question out of interest, is old-school logic compatible with constant change ?

Doesn't old-school logic have to evolve too and accept new ideas and thereby become liberalised ?

I don't believe in liberalism by itself, but I do believe that a combination of both ideologies is the best path.