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04-10-2002, 05:03 PM
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physics problem (particle dynamics)
I know some of you have taken or are taking physics so here's a question for you that I couldn't figure out:
A 68 kg sack is attached to a rope that is 6 meters long. The other end of the rope is tied to a hook which is hooked on to the ceiling. If you drop the sack from the ceiling, what is the maximum amount of force placed on the hook?
This is a real world problem and uhh since that 68 kg sack is really me, my life kinda depends on it.
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04-10-2002, 05:10 PM
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Factor in gravity to account for acceleration due to mass, and you should arrive at your answer.
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04-10-2002, 05:17 PM
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Oh I forgot to mention also, just use 10 m/s^2 for gravity. If you just use F=ma, then you discard the fact that the sack dropped 6 meters, which is rather important. A sack hanging from the ceiling generates a much lower force than one falling 6 meters.
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04-10-2002, 05:38 PM
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first you need to find the velocity after the 6m fall (11 m/s).
Then your impulse force (aka linear momentum) Fbar is m*v. In order to find the force on the hook, you need to be given a delta t (the time it takes the rope to stop you) to do this problem. Then the force F is (m*v)/(delta t). I would assume 15 milliseconds (15 x 10^-3 seconds).
so the force would be (11*68)/.015=3.324 kN
the faster that rope stops you, the greater the force
10 ms = 5 kN
this also assumes you are falling straight down with no initial velocity.
Last edited by Gomer; 04-10-2002 at 05:48 PM.
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04-10-2002, 05:40 PM
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As I recall (from 1972, no less....)
Find the terminal velocity, then:
K EQUALS ONE HALF M times V SQUARED
(for a non-elastic rope  )
BTW: Is there a tutorial for writing math formulae on VBB script?
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04-10-2002, 05:42 PM
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$100 please (consulting fee) =)
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04-10-2002, 05:45 PM
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cadd, that formula is for kinetic energy [Joules or (kg*m^2/s^2)]
force is in Newtons or (kg*m)/s^2
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04-10-2002, 05:58 PM
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HyperSlug,
You say the sack is you and your life depends on it, is the rope round your neck?
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04-10-2002, 06:06 PM
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04-10-2002, 06:11 PM
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Thanks Gomer. 3.3 kN sounds like it would be about right.
Graham: LOL, no the rope is actually tied to a harness for rock climbing. I was modeling a situation that can occur. My gear can support 22 kN and I wanted to be sure that I wasn't even approaching it.
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