Deeds for Words? Anybody Know of High-ranking

[MegalosSkylaki]

Palastinian Arab militant anti-Isreali leader wire himself up as a suicide bomber ?

There are now a group of self-professed "pacifists" (mostly Europeans but I undertand some Americans) surrounding Mr. Arafat --to save his life (?); to protect him(?); to protest ?

Ahh, yes. Children as "martyrs" , an eighteen year-old women , yes. But no high-ranking leaders as "suicides". Even Ceasar fought in the ranks of his Legions; any Leaders joining the legionaires ?

Odd, again that most peace propasal have the general format: Isreali relinquises something substantive i.e. land; control; military withdrawal.

The enemies of its very existence--not of just a parcel of land or a military position--but its very existence also relinquish something.

They relinquish words. Err.. they "promise" to stop terrorism against which would be moot anyway if Isreali no longer existed.

One proposal regarding the ill-considered , IMO, Isreali occupation of the PLO compound in Ramallah is, well, Mr. Arafat will "condemn" suicide bombings against Jewish Isrealis and Isreal will withdraw its tanks from the city.

Ahh, Words for Deeds.

Meanwhile there have been burnings and bombings of synogogues in France. I do not recall a single American mosque burned following 9/11 and our Gov't, on all levels, immediately and correctly took a stance against violance or harrassment of Moslims.

However, with anti-Isreali "leaders' --who will not strap themselves with explosives as others are left to do that --are asked to make further verbal promises.

Isreal is asked to take substantive actions; like giving up land or military positions.

Strange trade: one side gives up "promises"; the other gives up more subtantive holdings. Perhaps even its ultimate existence.

Please, this is not intended as food for flame but food for thought.

The only trade that is viable , in my opinion, is deeds for deeds. Land for land.

Given the length of this conflict, the investment in lives and money, couldn't a half-century have created a Palastinian State in the Middle East--with anti-Isreali or professedly pro-Palastinian Arabs Governments have given up land and created such a State ? Deeds instead of words.

MegalosSkylaki

[caddmannq]

I do not recall a single American mosque burned following 9/11...

Actually, we're building two new ones here in Fresno.

My boss did the calculations.
I did the drawings.


BTW, Arafat should become the first involuntary exploding Arab, ASAP.

[Lemon[H]ead]

Palastinian Arab militant anti-Isreali leader

Cuh!!! Who doesn't!!....Errr what does it mean, exactly :P:P

[MegalosSkylaki]

Dear Lemon[H]ead, ,

I'm not entirely sure I understand your question, but I wrote it that way as to not make the terms "Palastinian Arab" and "militant anti-Isreali" seem synonymous in principle.

Hope this is a clarification. If not, please PM.
Thank you.

MegalosSkylaki

[MegalosSkylaki]

"Arafat should become the first involuntary exploding Arab ASAP.."--CaddQ

Nah ! Mr. Arafat would make a fine Candidate in a Presidential election of the Country created by sympathic and supportive Governments who will donate land and some wherewithal wherein such a State of Palastine might be created. Wouldn't be unreasonable for Isreal to chip in with land. Deeds for deeds.

This will remove the Refugees from the Camps , save the lives of children and send them to school, build Schools and Universities to further the economic growth of the free Citizens of such a State, reduce the possibility of a sixth war, provide a homeland for Palastinian Arabs living in other Countries with a Law of Return to allow their assumption of Citizenship in this free State.

No one has been able to adequately define "craziness" , but one definition is the belief that an action taken in the past with no effect, will somehow have a different effect this time around.

Fifty-five years is a long time not to have figured this out.

Unless , of course, these Heads of State are themselves intimidated by the possibility they will have to deal with destablization.

Or are more eager to harm Jews than to help Palastinian Arabs.

Given the tremendous religious significan of Jerusalem to three major Faiths, something could be worked out --perhaps along the lines of "internationalization" under some Tri-partite Commission.

And keep the U.N. out of it. Damn nuisance in NYC as it is.

MegalosSkylaki

[CERuppel]

Interesting... Deeds for deeds, I like it.

Wish some of those peace negotiators could think that clearly.

This whole thing just gets me down...

[MegalosSkylaki]

Odd, that Mr. Khadafy reportedly asked Heads of State of Contiguous Arab States to allow his soldiers to enter the battle.

Errr..How many body-doubles does Khadafy have ? His soldiers enter--but where does he sleep that nite? In the barracks with them ?

How many Western "pacifists" have surrounded children throwing rocks --to protect them ? Or surrounded children not throwing rocks --to protect them?

Ahh! The courage of the non-combatants.

Sorry, CERupplel, our Western Generals have done it too. Remember Congress clearing out while Postal workers were left to face the threat of Anthrax?

MegaloSskylaki

[MegalosSkylaki]

Ahhh...demonstations in NYC.

Strange.

Just like the "Leaders" are well-insulated ,

The cry for "PEACE" goes out when one side is losing.
"Why can we all get along?"

Real strange I didn't notice any demonstrations when people were being blown up for going to a public place.

How "peaceful" these demonstrators become when the other side fights back....

MegalosSkylaki

[MegalosSkylaki]

^^^..and the beat goes on...strange how a Country that never has been in existence has "their land " while a question I once posed of can anybody name a single Country that doesn't have have conquest, or other unseemly acts in its history goes unanswered.

Alll this hallabaloo about whether Arafat would denounce the terrorist attack on a sovereigm state before Gen..Errr Ambassador Powell would meet with him.

I am reminded of a poem by Dylan Thomas, "The hand that signed the Treaty..."

"Hands have no tears to shed."

Has anybody still heard a peace proposal that involved deeds for deeds instead of Isreal giving up land for a"promise"?

And what the Hamlet-like temporalizations of Mr. Arafat be the "deed" around which such a treaty would be enforced ?

Basically, this whole matter seems like a scam to me: How soon we forget what it feels like to be victims of terrorism.

MegalosSkylaki

[KAknight]

MegalosSkylaki

Just a quick praise –

Though I may not always agree with your point of view or your opinions, your posts are always eloquently written and just as eloquently defended. It is always a pleasure to read your posts like these.

KAknight