How do topics like religion, war and abortion fit together?

[krusty the klown]

Hmmm... I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I'll just leave this open can of gas... (j/k)

I'm curious. Not being a religious person myself (but living by a generally Christian set of rules... allbeit slightly modified )...

I'm not pro weapons of mass destruction of ANY type. They are filthy, indiscriminate and maim for generations. I do support the right to choose (abortion) and I do not go to a Church.

Possibly, I'm considered a Liberal Moron by some

Is it possible to be anti-abortion, go to Church, then support the use of weapons of mass destruction?

We saw a group of people carry out indescriminate mass murder on Sept 11th and were appalled and disgusted by their actions (add some other emotions to this, but...). This group of people claimed to follow peaceful religion of Islam, which, as far as my understanding leads me to believe, does not condone such actions.

Now, I ain't saying that a country should stand there & do nothing whilst its' citizens are killed... I know there are several apparently conflicting statements about war & killing in the Bible, but can the eradication of a city and a legacy of radiation-induced birth defents ever be justified when abortion is not??? Is the life of an unborn baby discardable because of the actions of its' country's leaders / certain individuals, or is this the 'price of war'?

It may sound like I'm trying to $hit-stir (I'm all for stuffing a rocket up the a$$ of those responsible for Sept11, BTW), but what confuses me is that I notice there are some pro-nuke anti-abortion religious people around and to me this seems like a contradiction. **NOTICE THE EMPHASES** Does the Christian Faith ever condone the use of weapons of mass destruction? Should Christians have to throw their bible in the bin the moment they support such actions???

[Monty_Python]

Fetch the Holy Hand Grenade!

[/Month_Python]

[EndobioticChaos]

Well, I know a lot of people out there will disagree with this... but here goes...

Is it possible to be anti-abortion, go to Church, then support the use of weapons of mass destruction?

Yes, it's possible (it sure happens anyhow ) but it takes some very twisted logic and a nice helping of hypocricy to make it work...

Does the Christian Faith ever condone the use of weapons of mass destruction?

Nope. Christ makes it pretty clear that his followers fight a spiritual battle, not a physical battle.

Should Christians have to throw their bible in the bin the moment they support such actions???

No... they should read it more carefully!

The long and the short of it is, the Bible makes it pretty clear that the killing of other humans (regardless of age - ie. abortion - or reason...) is not a Christian practice... but fortunately God is a merciful God, and you won't be instantly condemned for making mistakes.

Please note, I'm not trying to infringe on other people's religious beliefs, I'm merely stating mine.

[Warthog]

I think the use of WMD is not limited to "the eradication of a city". Suppose a nuke was used to take out an enemy base...

[TonTo]

Religion is as simple as.... "but that doesn't apply to the other guys"

as in "it's wrong for us to kill unborn babies.... but, that doesn't apply to the other people.... thier unborn babies can die cuz they're a different religion/race/whatever"


IMO, highly religious people tend to be the most hypocritical people ever..... IMO.... <----- lets get that clear... IMO... k? for instance.... today... at work, religious dude says during the company meeting... lets all pray for ****** he's sick, k, and not more than 3 minutes later, he's screaming "goddamnit!" very religious dude, owns another company that does somethin for churches and he's all "all mighty hail the great god our father"ish

Suppose a nuke was used to take out an enemy base...

Is that a teensie weensie nuke or humongo base?

[krusty the klown]

Would have to be a pretty big military base

A few Daisy Cutters dropped simultaneously on a military base would level it surely?

A lot cheaper, too!

[CMonster]

Once upon a time a kung-fu master sent his student upon a long journey to another monastery, upon entering the grounds the student was greeted by the local master and escorted to a clearing in which was a huge pile of sticks, as high as the temple roof, then the student was straightway sent back to his own master.

Along the way the student pondered the huge pile of sticks with great perplexity, knowing that his master would surely ask about it and what lesson it had taught him, the student become very troubled and soon his journey became one of anxiety.

Upon his return, the master began to teach:

Master: "What did you see in the other monastery?"

Student: "A huge pile of sticks."

Master: "Could any man carry such a huge pile of sticks back here?"

Student: "No!"

Master: "And yet you have managed to do it."

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Perhaps the time will come when you see that all things are connected and related. The dirt and water and air and sunlight are not at all separate from the tree.

"..and the time will come when you see we're all one and life flows on within you and without you..."

-Beatles song

[ClubMed]

Great post CMonster.

[Chooco]

CMonster is smart

those guys who blew up the WTC were not true muslims (muslum?), it's just by coincidence that the arab world is mostly muslim and the arabs are in that whole conflict of Israel. i will not say who is right or wrong although there is an answer but those arab guys are just really pissed off and wanted to hide the act in a name such as 'holy war' or 'god told me to do it' or 'they deserved it'

fights are never about religion, that is just a flashy name people put on everything to hide what it is really about.

[ClubMed]

This is the first time I'm going to agree with you Chooco.

Religion is sometimes hijacked for political targets. A ‘politicisation of religion’ if you will allow me to say so. This naturally sheds a false and bad light on the religion and adds to misunderstandings and misinformation.

What the WTC terrorists did was in spite of Islam, not because of it. The fact that they chose political targets underlines this.

...muslims (muslum?)...

The correct term would be Muslims, sometimes also Moslems.

However I think this belongs in a different thread