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Old 02-20-2002, 02:01 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Manslaughter trial begins after Dog Kills a San Francisco woman

Diane Whipple 33, a college lacrosse coach, was attacked after returning from grocery shopping.
The death spurred widespread outrage and calls for stronger curbs on dogs in the city.
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Marjorie Knoller 46 and Robert Noel 60(Her Husband), both lawyers, face charges of involuntary manslaughter

The prosecution showed jurors gruesome pictures of Whipple's fatal dog bites and argued that Knoller ignored the dangers posed by her pets and let them kill her neighbor. The defense, however, argued that Knoller threw herself between the victim and her pets.

the couple's two presa Canario dogs, each weighing more than 100 pounds, attacked the 33-year-old lacrosse coach outside of her doorway on Jan. 26, 2001. Ruiz showed photos of Knoller covered in blood after the deadly attack.

the woman was covered with bites from head to toe, and that Her trachea was crushed and pierced by the dogs' teeth," he said. "Every piece of clothing was taken off of her by these dogs

He will allow prosecutors to present evidence of the couple's relationship with members of the white supremacist prison gang Aryan Brotherhood, but he barred them from describing the group's racist leanings.

Noel and Knoller said they got the dogs from one of the gang members, a Pelican Bay State Prison inmate named Paul "Cornfed" Schneider

Schneider and another member of the Aryan Brotherhood, who are both serving life without parole, were allegedly trying to operate a business from behind bars, raising attack dogs for illegal drug labs.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/u...ial020219.html

Judge Bars Bestiality Allegations Into Dog Mauling Trial
L O S A N G E L E S, Feb. 4 — A judge today refused to allow testimony about allegations of "sexual conduct" between two defendants and their dogs in a trial stemming from the fatal mauling of a San Francisco woman.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/u...ing020204.html


the San Francisco Chronicle that other neighbors said the dogs had attacked other people and pets in the building before the fatal attack. Lt. Henry Hunter told the Chronicle that letters from the prisoners also make it clear that Noel and Knoller knew the dogs were violent.

"The prisoners' correspondence talks about the dogs, they are talking about incidents involving the attorneys, these people love to brag — a lot of the correspondence talks about the dogs as vicious," Hunter told the paper.


The Presa Canario is not a recognized breed in the United States, and experts say the breed can be very dangerous, including viciousness, aggression, a mistrust of strangers, incredible strength, and a bite to kill — exactly what Schneider and Bretches wanted, say prison officials.
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Old 02-20-2002, 04:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The defense, however, argued that Knoller threw herself between the victim and her pets.
They will loose ... failure to control their dog of that breed due to negliagence of the leash law is undefendable. Infact they will be lucky if they are not convicted of simple manslaughter or assault due to the breed type. California is very strict regarding certain breeeds...not the first time this has happened.
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Old 02-20-2002, 08:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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What I don't understand is why do people want such vicious breeds? I thought people want to keep dogs for their friendship and companionship.

So what drives folks to keep these breeds?

Personally, I'd prefer to keep a Collie/Golden Retriever/Cocker Spaniel.
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I remember when this story first aired, (what? a year or so ago?)
I seem to recall these people making statements at the time defending their "need" for keeping such animals.

I guess their lawyers will put a "humanitarian" spin on them. IMO, though, they should be tried for (at least) 2nd degree murder. I cannot think of any justification for keeping such beasts in close proximity to people. This was a tragedy just waiting to happen. That poor woman.

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Schneider and another member of the Aryan Brotherhood, who are both serving life without parole, were allegedly trying to operate a business from behind bars, raising attack dogs for illegal drug labs
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/u...ial020219.html

I would envision that these animals(which are NOT a recognized breed in the United States) are bred by these people Soley as defense in Methamphetamine Drug labs to attack Officers or anyone who stumbled upon it.

In this county alone, 3 kids died(in 4 months) from the effects of this single homemade drug, 2 shot themselves the other withered away in a nursing home wearing a diaper and drooling until his death at age 19. This just from the consumption.


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On of the statements released was that the Dogs had attacked over 30 people prior to this Horrific Crime.

People are responsible for the actions of their animals, these folks are going to jail.

I don't agree with "dog fighting" either, a sport that some find entertaining, watching dogs fight to the death.. This is a criminal act in Ga, a Felony, however it's not pursued as are crimes of higher visibility.
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I'm sorry to hear about you loss Doc. That's terrible. Let's hope that they can get all this straightened away so that this doesn't happen again to anybody.

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That is no defense. If she has to throw herself between her pets and the attacker then it is still too violent. Even if she hadn't stopped it from attacker her pets what would have stopped it from attacking her anyway. I don't get it. Things like this make me really mad and depressed.
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Old 02-20-2002, 02:39 PM   #8 (permalink)
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My apartment doesn't permit pets though some old ladies manage to smuggle in cats.

I'm thinking of a small aquarium - I firmly believe in the positive effect of all pets/animals on kids. Dogs and horses are the best but under the circumstances, the boys will have to settle for fish.
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What I don't understand is why do people want such vicious breeds? I thought people want to keep dogs for their friendship and companionship.

So what drives folks to keep these breeds?
It's not about BREED. Any breed is capable of being vicious, even little terriers. It's about how the dog is raised. The people are responsible.
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There was a Law and Order episode about this, except in the show they used a pitbull. Probably because not many people know what kind of dog this is and a pitbull was easier to obtain.
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