Europe Under Siege?

[MTAtech]

“When I watched those planes go into the Twin Towers, I felt elated.” That statement was not from the leader of al Qaeda but from a British citizen in England – as published in the Washington Times

In today’s New York Times an article titled, “Militants in Europe Openly Call for Jihad and the Rule of Islam,” appeared.

They swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his goal of toppling Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, like Afghanistan under the Taliban. They call the Sept. 11 hijackers the "Magnificent 19" and regard the Madrid train bombings as a clever way to drive a wedge into Europe.

This is scary. When the general population of allies align with the terrorists, how can the war on terrorism be fought? How can European governments respond? How does the U.S. respond?

[Epidemic]

"general population of allies align with the terrorists"

Well one way to fight terrorism is not to give them the boost of statements like that.

This is not the general population speaking. To me General population referres to either a large portion or the majority (leaning toward the majority.)

A more correct statement would be something akin to


[[[This is scary. When A SUPER MINORITY of allies align with the terrorists, how can the war on terrorism be fought? How can European governments respond? How does the U.S. respond?]]]

Unless you restrict freedom of speech and perhaps even imigration and citizenship rules you will have such statements.

You would need monitored religion as well to address it. Where MI6 actually monitors speech and acts on findings within mosques and gatherings. Since this is unlikely to happen any time soon in a free country you will have open speech like this out of the fringe.

[BettaBuy]

Hey..I have to agree with Epi

We're talking a minority here, MTA...I wonder where you got this "When the general population of allies align with the terrorists..." from ???

The problem is we're too damn politically correct to do anything about these people who can freely express their muslim extremist crap under the guise of freedom of speech.

[John Prophet]

I know...I know..Ill be acused of a threadcrap..but I'll take the chance cuz it addresses exactly what u refer to when u say---->

quote---> "how can the war on terrorism be fought? How can European governments respond?"

quote----> "Unless you restrict freedom of speech and perhaps even imigration and citizenship rules you will have such statements.
You would need monitored religion as well to address it. Where MI6 actually monitors speech within mosques and gatherings. Since this is unlikely to happen any time soon in a free country you will have open speech like this out of the fringe."

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the deal that is coming to Europe is going to be like what u just said......it will be determined by the UN or EU...that there are only 3 causes of terrorism and war etc etc....the main two being religion and independent pride of countries (nationalism) etc (I forget the exact wordings I have seen)

So definitely there will come a "state religion"...as u just said yourself Epi....u might not be able to see it coming at this point unless u follow and research that sort of thing and also research history.

But u can certainly see a unified europe coming...basically it is here though the average man in europe would have said it was impossible maybe 15 years ago and all thru history...but it is here now and nothing will stop it.

Anyway...you are correct in saying that things such as religion and speech will be monitored etc etc and those who dont promise and swear allegiance to the UN or EU or whatever it will ultimately be called will be personally sanctioned in a very simple way...IE--they wont be able to buy or sell without swearing allegiance.

impossible u say??

Are u sure??

there are plenty of mechanisms in place now and a FLOOD of new ones all the time....all sorts of biometric things such as RFID..all sorts of tracking and monitoring things in place....so the "police state" u speak of is on the way.....DEFINITELY in Europe..no doubt.

All made possible by our beloved internet and global network covering most of the globe (satellite etc also). (they got IPv6 here just in time, lol)


For instance..have u noticed the # of criminals caught out on surveillance cameras lately?? I think in london now there are over 4 million survellience cameras in place now.

do a search for "big brother london" or some such terms.

all sorts of things to be found there http://www.wired.com/news/privacy/0,..._story_related

also things like police being able to order eye scans etc http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/pol...p?story=515294

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every govt would LOVE to go cashless...because they could then control everything...cash is the major bugbear in stopping terrorists and drug trade..cuz cash cant be tracked....but once they go cashless...and put the biometric devices fully into play...the scenario is spoke of (not being able to buy or sell without swearing allegiance) will be reality

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so ask yourself..are things pulling TOWARD what I just described..or not???

I think it is obvious where things are headed...if u are in tune with such things and have been watching them develop..it is sort of upsetting...because u want everyone to see it also.

Have u seen or heard of the experiments in grocery stores in the USA....where you have your little "loyalty card" (catch the not so subtle irony) and you go into the store...their is a thing called a "shopping buddy" on the cart...u scan ur card and it says "hello Mr jones" and it adds up whatever u put in the cart automatically....then instead of choosing "paper or plastic" u choose "cashier or computer"....and if u choose computer it just takes the amount out of your account. I know it has been tried already in locations in houston etc.

not a very far leap to cashless from there..and not much of a leap to the next move of "the cards can be stolen too easily...take this little grain of sand sized RFID chip in your wrist and you will recieve a 30% discount for the first year"



It's coming..dont worry.

JP

[MTAtech]

The Times article said there were 'hundreds.' I hope there are ONLY a few hundred but it's hard to know how many sympathize with that position.

It will also he interesting to observe how the Europeans, who are critical of Israeli tactics, will respond to terrorism from inside.

[SpookyEddy]

It will also he interesting to observe how the Europeans, who are critical of Israeli tactics, will respond to terrorism from inside.

Many European countries have been living with car bombings, assasinations, hostage situations and many other tools of terrorism for decades now so perhaps we will be less susceptible to misdirected knee jerk reactions. I guess only time will tell.

Regards

ed

[MTAtech]

As a Brit said to me, 'whatever you Yanks could do, we can do worse.'

[Pexster]

I heard on the news a few days ago that France is now deporting non-citizen Muslim clerics who preach violence and hatred. They're trying to figure out a way to get some better-educated people to fill the roles. They are even considering state-sponsored religious training, but have church-state separation issues much as we do here in the U.S.

[SpookyEddy]

Not really sure what you mean by that. However, my point really was that large sections of the European population have been experiencing the pleasure of being shot at and blown up for years so they are quite familiar with "terrorism from inside".

Regards

ed

[elmers]

"but have church-state separation issues much as we do here in the U.S."

...one nation under god with liberty and justice for all...



The french are having all sorts of problems with immigrants. Namely they recently had a problem with muslim girls wearing head scarfs to school. The other kids picked on them because they would not talk to boys and behaved strangly. When asked about their scarf wearing and stuff they said they wanted to live like the muslim women back home.

Euronews (a tv station like cnn...) had interviewed a muslim woman living in france, a civil rights lawyer, asking her what she thought about the head scarf ban considered. She said it was exactly because of these rules of behaviour, clothing, etc that they moved from Turkey.