Scary Kerry

[Uncle Bob]

SCARY KERRY

>

> John Kerry on Defense -- I hadn't seen this list printed until today.

> It would make one hell of a mailer if it were sent to voters. (So... send

>it to as many voters as you can!)

>

> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle

> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams tank

> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down since 1988

> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system (defensive system)

> He voted to Kill the F-15 Strike Eagle fighter

> He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16 Falcon fighter

> He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade (airborne radar platform)

> He voted to Kill the B-1 bomber

> He voted to Kill the B-2 stealth bomber

> He voted to Kill the Patriot anti missile system (another defensive

>system)

> He voted to Kill the FA-18 Hornet fighter

> He voted to Kill the F117 stealth fighter

>

> In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development

>and deployment of every weapons system since 1988 to include the battle

>armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of

>naked men and women running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to

>kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government

>and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%; to cut the funding for the CIA by

>80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. But then he voted to increase

>OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!!

>

> Is THIS a President YOU want?

Copied from an E-Mail I received.

[Pexster]

These kind of distortions are so ridiculous. You can do this on ANY issue to ANYONE who's served in Congress for any length of time. As someone pointed out a few days ago, Rumsfeld is proposing a round of base closures. Whoever votes for that bill can be branded as a pacifist U.N.-loving Commie pinko by political hacks in the future.

The only way to interpret votes in Congress is to delve into the history of the bills, the amendments, floor fights, committees, etc. Again, if you've been there more than a couple of years, someone can put you on every side of every issue quite easily.

[John Prophet]

seems pretty lopsided there....dunno if you can stretch one THAT far, lol

but its the same thing Kerry and others are harping on about xxxmillon jobs lost since Bush took office....as if it was his fault, lol...as if our economy HADNT been on a big high (bubble) and had to rebound down etc.

or as if Bush could have stopped years of terrorism build up in 9 months...etc

the problem is that a large majority of Americans dont have the sense to think things thru..so they fall for both parties low brow insulting type ads, lol.

[Gomer]

Email forwards - No greater a source of disinformation.

[MTAtech]

Those statements coming from the Bush Re-election Committee and the GOP ads are characteristic of the dishonesty that Mr. Bush will stoop to in order to deceive the American people into re-electing him.

Slate did an article testing the honesty of those claims (Click Here for the Article)

According to the article, President GHW Bush also didn't want more B-2s and Secy of Defense Cheney didn't want more of the other weapons programs. Cheney said, "Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight budgets and new requirements. … You've directed me to buy more M-1s, F-14s, and F-16s—all great systems … but we have enough of them." "Gen. Colin Powell, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at the same hearings, testifying about plans to cut Army divisions by one-third, Navy aircraft carriers by one-fifth, and active armed forces by half a million men and women, to say noting of "major reductions" in fighter wings and strategic bombers."

Almost all of them cite Kerry's vote on Senate bill S. 3189 (CQ Vote No. 273) on Oct. 15, 1990... In other words, Kerry was one of 16 senators (including five Republicans) to vote against a defense appropriations bill 14 years ago. He was also one of an unspecified number of senators to vote against a conference report on a defense bill nine years ago. The RNC takes these facts and extrapolates from them that he voted against a dozen weapons systems that were in those bills. The Republicans could have claimed, with equal logic, that Kerry voted to abolish the entire U.S. armed forces, but that might have raised suspicions. Claiming that he opposed a list of specific weapons systems has an air of plausibility. On close examination, though, it reeks of rank dishonesty.

More dishonest than the last one
GOP's (false) claim that Kerry voted 350 times for tax increases
Now, before you cast your vote, think of these misleading ads. Is THIS a President YOU want?

Uncle Bob, please send the Slate reference back to the email source and every voter you can. It makes a hell-of-a rebutal.

The Bush team is betting that the people are stupid and they will be fooled into believing lies. Let's show them that they are wrong.

[TOAD6147]

The Bush team is betting that the people are stupid...

Which, sadly, they are or they wouldn't keep passing along garbage like this, giving in to rhetoric as opposed to fact.

[pickel]

That's why half of electorate align with Bush...because there are STUPID !!!!!!!!!!!!

[MTAtech]

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. " - Abraham Lincoln

In 2000, Bush fooled less than half the people. The rest were smarter.

Fortunately,

"Overall, however, President Bush's job performance rating continues to slide with 53% of likely voters giving him an negative rating (Fair-Poor), and 46% granting him a positive rating (Excellent-Good). On the important re-elect question, only 45% say that the President “deserves to be re-elected”, while 51% say it “time for someone new”.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=812

However, this isn't a thread about the intelligence of the voters. It is about the deceptive advertising shown in post#1.

Two quotes:
"The great masses of the people ... will more easily fall victims to a great lie than to a small one. "

"Propaganda must not serve the truth, especially insofar as it might bring out something favorable for the opponent." - both from Aldolf Hitler

[chipbgt]

He can give any reasons he wants, but dollars to doughnuts he did vote against these bills.

[MTAtech]

Originally posted by chipbgt
He can give any reasons he wants, but dollars to doughnuts he did vote against these bills.

Nice try, but the dishonesty is indefensable. By that logic, voting against a single appropriations bill is a vote for disbanding the entire army and shutting down the gov't. Again, the dishonesty is indefensable.

Let's also understand that the purpose of the ad is to paint Kerry as weak on defense. If true, then George Bush's father, Dick Cheney and Colon Powell are also weak on defense.