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Old 01-17-2002, 01:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
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K&N air filter test info

Speaking of letting more dust in I just ran over this post on another forum:

http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums...=312363&page=1

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Old 01-17-2002, 01:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah, I've heard that most stock paper filters outperform K&N filters overall...in performance and filtering.
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Old 01-17-2002, 02:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Was thinking of getting a K&N filter someday for my E30...

Does this compare to the E30, though? I haven't heard anything bad about K&N on E30s. I would think it'd be possible for a Z3 to have a better stock filter but not necessarily a 15 year old car.

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Old 01-17-2002, 02:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think they may have forgotten to oil the filter before use...
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Old 01-17-2002, 03:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Here is the info regarding that "test":
(I wrote to K+N after reading it)---

Dear customer,
That is full on made up and not true at all. It is at least 5
years
old and makes its way around the internet like "free vacation" ads and
other
urban myths. The internet can be a good source of information but one
must
realize it is a free speech forum and can have opinions not facts or
truthful statements.
Our filters are tested by an outside, independent laboratory.
They
have been proven to stop at least 99% of particles on a SAE dust test.
This
test uses particles as low as the 0 - 5 micron range and goes up to 20
microns. For comparison, a paper filter also stops 99% on the same
test and
the OEM minimum standard is 96%. Foam is generally the worst media
with a
typical efficiency rating of 75 - 85%. To get higher ratings, the foam
must
be more dense and therefore way more restrictive. The "tack"
characteristic
of a K&N allows for increase filtration without loss of flow as well.
The testing procedure used is SAE J-726 using ISO Test Dust. This
test
is the standard of the air filter industry. The test procedure consists
of
flowing air through the filter at a constant rate (airflow rate is
determined by the application) while feeding test dust into the air
stream
at a rate of 1 gram per cubic meter of air.
As the filter loads with dust the pressure drop across the filter
is
increased to maintain the prescribed airflow rate. The test is
continued
until the pressure drop increases 10" H2O above the initial restriction
of
the clean element (in this case .78" to 10.78" H2O). At this point the
test
is terminated. The dirty filter element is then weighed. This weight is
compared to the clean element weight to determine the total Dust
Capacity.
The amount of dust retained by the filter is divided by the total
amount of
dust fed during the test to determine the Cumulative Efficiency.


The K&N filter achieved the following results:

Dust Capacity: 305 grams

K&N Cumulative Efficiency: 99.05 %

Holding the filter to the light is useless, pin holes are normal.
That
is what makes a K&N filter. There are actually hundreds of microscopic
fibers that cross these holes and when treated with oil, capture and
hold
the very fine particles. On the same hand, they allow the filter to
flow
more air than paper or foam. The filter is 4 ply cotton gauze unlike
some
competitors synthetic material filters. The synthetics do not have the
very
small fibers that natural cotton does. Also, the oil can be pulled off
of a
foam filter contaminating electronic sensors. It will absorb into
cotton
and stay in the media. In fact, Honda and Toyota only recommend K&N
filters
when using aftermarket high flow filters as K&N is the only brand of
filter
the oil does NOT come off of. They will not cover a failed sensor if
foam
filters were used.
We got started over 30 years ago making filters for motorcycles
and off
road racers. The filters did so well that these guys wanted them for
their
cars and trucks. We started making filters for these applications and
here
we are today. If they did not work, we would not still be here and
growing
every year.
We now make filters for Chrysler/Mopar, Ford Motorsports,
Edelbrock,
Rotax Engines, and Harley Davidson. We come as original equipment on
the
2000 Ford Mustang Cobra-R. We even made filters for the Apache
helicopters
used in Desert Storm because of maintenance problems with the original
paper
design. Now we are on the new unmanned reconnaissance plane, the
Predator,
being used in Afghanistan. If they work in these conditions they will
work
for you. Links to the filtration tests are on our web site at
http://www.knfilters.com/images/factstab1.gif and
http://www.knfilters.com/images/factstab2.gif
Thanks for writing, Rick
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From my understanding, you don't have to oil the filter until 50,000 miles of use. They come Pre-Oiled. Of course if you live in a dusty area then you may have to oil the filter sooner. I bought mine and it was pre-oiled. I read the directions and it said that NO OIL was neccessary till around 50,000 miles.

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K&N filters come pre-oiled and ready to use. The filter media is made from layers of white cotton gauze. The oil has a red dye added to show how much is being applied. If the filter looks pinkish-red, it is oiled. It is important that K&N air filters are never used unoiled. This would greatly degrade their filtering ability.

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Yeah, I've heard that most stock paper filters outperform K&N filters overall...in performance and filtering.
Really? Most people I heard say they work really well or as well as the stock.
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Thx for the informational post, TKOP.

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Old 01-18-2002, 12:44 AM   #10 (permalink)
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TKOP:

Just some thoughts on companies that sell aftermarket car parts...

late model cars are engineered about 10x better than their predecessors. To give you an idea look at the improvements made in how air gets to your engine. Back in the day air was just sucked from the hot engine bay which is really no good. Then you started to see things like hood scoops to get cool air. Look at recent car models from any manufacturer and you will see that they are ducting cool air from the outside usually from the grill or bumper. This is a cold air intake system and it comes standard on pretty much every vehicle these days. Aftermarket car companies no longer have poorly designed cars to improve upon so they sell "cold air intakes" as upgrades. Usually they are just making the intake less restrictive not adding a cold air intake system.
Bottom line: aftermarket car product companies will blow smoke to make a buck

If you want to look at another side to this debate how about foam filters: http://www.itgairfilters.com/philosophy.asp

The Jim that wrote this article is probably the #2 BMW tuner guys although he deals mostly with custom setups for race M3's. The #1 US tuner of BMW's, Dinan, whose products can be purchased directly at many BMW dealerships, has switched many of their filters in their intake products to paper filters FROM K&N who they had used for a long time. I think the reason for this though was that they were having problems with oil from the K&N's damaging sensors.

If you want the true test look at who the major auto manufacturers are that use K&N as origional equipment: Ford, but only on their "tuned" Cobra R. Let's face it the Cobra R is meant to be a big muscle car and K&N got it's reputation from back when muscle cars were huge and could be easily improved upon.

The fact of the matter is that other than on ONE derivative of ONE car company's ONE model line do we see K&N mention that they are OE suppliers. If K&N filters were really significantly better than any other type of filter out there then why are they not OE on more cars? In OE quantities we are probably talking only a few dollars more on vehicles easily worth $10k+. Replacing an engine under warranty costs car companies a lot of money. If K&N filters were superior when it comes to filtration then you would assume that manufacturers would use them as standard equipment because it would be cheaper than replacing engines.

Just so you know I do use a K&N cone filter in my car... It is just worth noting that there is another side to this debate.

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