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Old 02-21-2004, 02:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Are you allowed?

To be a communist in your country (expecting replies from more than one country).

I am! But, i am not a communist, the theory is sound, but in a human environment, it is just not possible. I don't like people that hate communists.

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Old 02-21-2004, 02:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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We're allowed to be stupid, i mean communist, in America too. It doesn't work anyway, so i guess it doesn't matter unless those wackos gain enough strength to maneuver.
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Old 02-21-2004, 02:58 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Was that even necessary? Honestly the ignorance of some people on this board is astonishing.
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Old 02-21-2004, 03:01 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the better question is, is "who here is a communist?" ..
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Old 02-21-2004, 03:13 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Yes it was necessary. One would have to be as ignorant as you claim I am to be communist in the first place. It just doesn't work. Communism removes all personal motivation to do more than the average Joe. How can you expect someone to work harder than whatever they feel hard is, when they aren't getting any extra in return for it? The only people who prosper from communism are those who take control of the system and let everyone else toil day in and day out to line their pockets. So yes, communists are stupid... unless of course they're planning on taking control. Then they're either delusional or dangerous, or both.
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Yes it's allowed here in Austria, and we do have a small communist political party.
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Old 02-21-2004, 04:50 AM   #7 (permalink)
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haha Optimus prime forget it! they hate the communists, cuba remember? or USSR?

forget it to even try to disucss this! it makes them just angry and you too!

BTW communism is AWSOME, it's the best system ever! the only problem, it doesnt work

i think we have to discuss the extreme right side, because they are more used to that one!

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Just to interject some thoughts

I dont think communism really works.

So what does that leave....capatilism?? Then again I dont think capitalism works either when you get right down to it.

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As far as what was said about communism and what makes people work----> "How can you expect someone to work harder than whatever they feel hard is, when they aren't getting any extra in return for it?"

That in itself, no offense meant at all.....if I read that right we are talking about a monetary return for their efforts. But is money all that matters? When you get right down to it...after you are clothed, housed and well fed...do you really NEED a lot more money than that? Do you REALLY need to live like a king?

Whatever happened to giving, working for the good of ALL as opposed to self. How can a system be right that has rich people living around the corner from destitute....and the rich have 50 times what they need for a good life and the poor neighbor 5 blocks away are starving.....that is in America that I am talking about. We must admit that capitalism doesnt exactly come off smelling as fresh as a rose when you look at the fruit of it.

Obviously in America we have WAY MORE than enough money and resources etc so that NO ONE here should go hungry or sleep in the street......but sleep in the street they do...and starve do death and freeze to death and sell themselves to prostitution to feed their kids....while other individuals live as KINGS...with huge estates and tax loopholes and politicians and judges in their pockets.

So am I saying we should be communist or marxist?? nope..those countries that have accepted communism etc are no better off are they? Is China better off? Is or was the USSR ever remotely looking like something worth living in?


So what would I propose as a way of life..as a way of society?

Well...you all know me by now and you know what governs all my opinions so maybe unless someone asks I will spare you any bible verses about helping one's neighbor and about "if someone doesnt work then that someone doesnt eat" etc.

Instead I will point out a form of society that most here will scoff at....yet the proof is in the pudding.

for example scan down the page a little at the link below and think of what their community life is like. (thats just the first link I found on a google search more or less) Does anyone go hungry? Is anyone forced to steal? Does a rich man live next to a poor one? Is anyone being a dead weight by living on welfare? Are their parents wasting away in old folks homes? Were they terrified by Y2K? oh..and by the way...their divorce rate has soared lately....all the way to 1%---> Let's be honest though...we are too "cool" to live this way?


Now I ask you....where do they get the values that allow them to live this way? What lies behind their beliefs?

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found interesting quote on another site---> "They do not wish to participate in unemployment insurance or social security programs, as these would reduce their reliance on each other, the glue which holds their community together."
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Old 02-21-2004, 05:15 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Communism is a better theory and model than capitalism. That is simple.

Unfortunately, people are greedy and largely corrupted or corruptable, so it fails.

Of course, haveing said that, Capitalism IMO has also failed us, but we are stuck with it for the foreseeable future.
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Old 02-21-2004, 10:59 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I don't see how Capitalism has failed us. ??? We're here right? We're not dead. We are able to freely discuss whatever the eff we want to. I have the freedom to do pretty much whatever I want to do right now. I could sit around all day eating Cheetos or I could mainline a couple pots of coffee and engineer society's next great invention. It's totally up to me. I'll probably do something in between those two extemes. So anyways,...where's the failure?

Oh, wait, unless you meant to say it's not perfect? You would be correct there. Capitalism is not perfect. .....duh. Nothing in this area is perfect. Even Communism, on paper, is not perfect. But hearing someone say that the current system has "has failed us" seems a bit ironic and disingenuous. Think about it. You have an education (read & write), you must have some food in the fridge, the fact that you even have a fridge, and electricity you got that too, you can freely express your veiwpoint from the comfort of your own home and have that viewpoint read by people all over the planet...in just a few seconds...hmmmm. Maybe you're right. Capitalism has obviously failed us. It seems to have particularly hit you hard tmx468. My heart goes out to you. Is there some place where can donate to help the less fortunate like yourself?


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