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Old 09-11-2003, 05:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"How to Build Your Own PC at $50 Over Dealer Cost"......

Hi Everybody,

I'm looking at writing a book/report untitled:

"How to Build Your Own PC at $50 Over Dealer Cost"......

Basically I'd like to get everybody’s feedback in regards to:

a) Whether there's a need for such a report/book to be written in the first place?;
b) If so, what content you'd like to see covered?; and
c) If such a book/report existed -- would you be willing to pay in between $27-$47 to own it?

Brief background on myself:

I've worked in computers (specifically in hardware) for the past 10 years as:

1. A qualified technician.
2. Owner of my own computer retail store for several years.

At the start of my career, I took pride in building the best possible systems for the best possible price. In fact I ended up personally building just under 1000 systems in total – with only 2 refunds every occurring.

Fast forward the clock several years later…. and I'd become disheartened about the state of the industry, namely:

1. How many small, medium and large manufacturers/dealers were blatantly ripping off consumers;

2. The deceptive smoke and mirror campaigns taken out by component manufacturers (*cough cough* think original P4 CPUs);

3. Dealers not honouring warranties properly or taking their customer support seriously; and

4. Uneducated sales staff that were given their complementary “2 week crash course in computers” -- and then let loose on the unsuspecting public.

At the end of the day, after several years I had enough. I decided to close up shop and move into web design and software development instead.

Since then, I've had friends constantly calling for advice about:

- Which system configuration to get?
- How to get the best price (i.e. how to get proper wholesale prices)?
- Which brands are reputable and which ones to stay away from?
Last month, a good friend of mine showed me a quote for a new system he was looking at and asked me if I could check it out.

Upon further investigation -- what I discovered was pretty scary!

His local computer store had pulled every trick in the book, but had "juiced" up the jargon and specifications in his quote to make it sound like a quality system.

What they were if fact selling was a low quality cheap and nasty knock-together job.

Well, I paid a quick visit to the store and confronted the sales rep who put together the quote.

To say he was "mildly embarrassed" when I pointed out all the flaws would be an understatement. Having been a dealer and technician myself – I knew every scam he had pulled.

After this saga, I thought to myself "I'm sure there are thousands of computer enthusiasts who are in the same boat".

People who are constantly building or upgrading their systems that would value from a practical report exposing all the scams and tricks of the industry.

I searched through Borders and Google to see if similar titles existed -- nothing.

All I could find were those lame "how to buy a computer for dummies" type books. The problem with these titles is that the authors themselves have never actually worked in the industry – let alone behind the scenes.

Their advice basically boils down to “shop around”, which is totally useless – especially if you don’t know what you’re “shopping around” for in the first place.

What do you think people?

If you had a best friend who owner a computer store -- what information would you want to know?

Do you think there is a need for this type of report/book? ... Or have I been exposed to few too many power supply surges

If I do decide the write it – it will take a solid 6 months worth of work from start to finish – so I’m relying on your feedback to decide whether or not it’s worth the effort.

I’m confident that anyone who purchased the book would:

1. Save hundreds (and in some cases thousands) off the costs of systems and components;

2. Ensure they never got screwed by dealer again; and

3. End up with a top quality, well configured unit that suits there needs.

Any feedback – good, bad and ugly is appreciated.
Look forward to your views/opinions.

Thanks,
Adrian


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Old 09-11-2003, 05:19 AM   #2 (permalink)
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In order for it to be useful for any longer periods of time it really needs to deal with very generic aspects of building. I know that me myself would never buy something like that, since I can find all the info I need right here.
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Old 09-11-2003, 05:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks Agent_Embryo

That's a very good point -- I probably should have explained it a bit better.

The book wouldn't really be targeted at your "How to build a PC" type market. There are actually tons of these books available today (and few that are pretty good as well).

The idea of this book would be to explain specifically what to look for and how to get the best price/deals.

So in other words, what criteria to look for .... as opposed to how to build the unit itself.

Does this make sense?
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Old 09-11-2003, 05:30 AM   #4 (permalink)
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hmm $50 over dealer cost isn't that still a rip off as AE said this is a type of market thats basicallly changing as we speek so your looking at the buyers end of thre market and how to look for bargains or how to not buy into the "next best thing".

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The idea of this book would be to explain specifically what to look for and how to get the best price/deals.
but as I said its an industry that changes from day to day and person to person so your basically limites to a how to do a basic build on a budget or getting your best deals type book
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Thanks for the feedback RicheemxX.

1. $50 over dealer cost may not be the best title in the world.

What I meant was -- a report that showed people how to purchase components for a complete system (or a complete assembled unit) at proper wholesale prices.

2. I agree that the hardware advancements are changing quicker than we can blink -- but the fundamentals behind purchasing systems and components hasn't changed much in years. People are still making the same mistakes as they were 5 years ago – and will probably continue to make the same mistakes for years to come.

I still believe that most people (whether they are computer illiterate or full blown enthusiasts) -- pay too much for their systems/parts at the end of the day.
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Old 09-11-2003, 05:56 AM   #6 (permalink)
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no I see the idea and the fundamentals behind what your talking about but since the industry changes and prices fluctuate so much its hard to put an actual price on things. As most custom builders already know when you put a costt on components it might change in a day or two and thus raise your build prices.

So basically what I'm sying is a book with even a basic price guide will be outdated before it gets published. Thats why you see more "how to books" than something that show relative prices. If as you say you are your a Qualified tech and a retailer you should see that more than I do
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Old 09-11-2003, 06:09 AM   #7 (permalink)
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There would be no point printing specific prices -- I agree that they would be outdated before it got printed (heck, with memory, cpu and hard drives prices -- the price would probably change before you finished writing the chapter).

The point is -- regardless of price changes, regardless of technology advances, buying wholesale will always be cheaper than buying retail -- this fact will never change -- no matter how much the technology does.

The moment you step into a bricks and mortar store or whip out your credit card on an online store -- you're automactially paying a retailer markup.
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OK so basically whats the point of your original post?? you've just went from writiting a book thats almost pointless to what??

as I see it most people can't buy wholesale{please don't spam some wholesale site} so your still talking about trying to get someone the best deal on a technology that has price fluctuations daily/weekly so your talking about anycomp.tech magazine on the market. Or even Reseller ratings. And no I don't mean to flame your thread but I'm not seeing what your getting at.???
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OK -- maybe I'm not dumbing this down enough.

Reseller ratings is a great tool -- but it compares prices from resellers not wholesalers.

The point of my original post is the same as it was when I posted it (funnily enough).

You mentioned that "as I see it most people can't buy wholesale".
This is incorrect.

Most people CAN buy wholesale -- they just don't know how to do it.

The point of the book would be to show people how they can.
Very simple.
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i get what he is saying. i think that if i could justify the price (cost-benefit analysis), then i would purchase such a book. its the principle behind buying wholesale...not the costs, or even the parts. The problem i see is, how do you overcome what people do on ebay with their "purchase wholesale" auctions? it seems to discredit the whole idea.
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