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View Poll Results: Monarch,Good buy,or GOODBYE
Would buy again. 14 14.89%
Wouldnot buy again,even with your money. 43 45.74%
Have deleted them from favorites. 4 4.26%
Buy from NewEgg 33 35.11%
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:17 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I am sorry you seemed to have misconstrued what I was saying; what i said was intended to convey that a large increase in the satisfaction # will not happen overnight. Also please know as I have stated before, I am not here to argue and I will not.

Ballast: I am sorry you were wronged in such a way that you are still obviously carrying a good deal of animosity for us after all this time. Please tell me how I can help you feel better.
My disdain towards Monarch is great. I was wronged many ways by Monarch and I will never be a customer again. I was told of these improvements before. But they have yet to materialize. If they should come forth in a timely manner you could very well save the company. Till then all eyes will be on the rating page. I, like you, am not here to argue, the facts are the facts. The balls in your court.

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Old 10-24-2006, 03:31 PM   #72 (permalink)
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My disdain towards Monarch is great. I was wronged many ways by Monarch and I will never be a customer again. I was told of these improvements before. But they have yet to materialize. If they should come forth in a timely manner you could very well save the company. Till then all eyes will be on the rating page. I, like you, am not here to argue, the facts are the facts. The balls in your court.
I am afraid another proclamation of your feelings which as I said before are very obvious to everyone, doesn't answer my question. I am well aware of your situation and the lengths you have gone to over the past 2 years since your order was cancled.

I am asking; how may I help you feel better?

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Old 10-24-2006, 03:59 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I am afraid another proclamation of your feelings which as I said before are very obvious to everyone, doesn't answer my question. I am well aware of your situation and the lengths you have gone to over the past 2 years since your order was cancled.

I am asking; how may I help you feel better?
Well first off its been over three years.

What would make me feel better is two fold:
First:if Monarch were to fail as a retailer.
This is undesirable because of the check and balances. No one wins in this case, we all lose.
Second: Monarch becomes a competant and reliable retailer.
Everybody wins. More competition better service, better prices the pressure would be on for all retailers to perform well.

OR you could just send me an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ AM2 Processor.

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Old 10-24-2006, 04:02 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Well first off its been over three years.

What would make me feel better is two fold:
First:if Monarch were to fail as a retailer.
This is undesirable because of the check and balances. No one wins in this case, we all lose.
Second: Monarch becomes a competant and reliable retailer.
Everybody wins. More competition better service, better prices the pressure would be on for all retailers to perform well.

OR you could just send me an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ AM2 Processor. OEM would be OK too! Just kidding!
Now we are making some headway.
You will find me to be a real good source and friend to the consumer. I don't blame you for being stand-offish, not at all. Having said that thought, I am trying to see how we can overcome that. I am aware time will tell the tale and I am confident it will be a good tale for all of us; Monarch and the consumer.
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Old 10-24-2006, 05:45 PM   #75 (permalink)
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Now we are making some headway.
You will find me to be a real good source and friend to the consumer. I don't blame you for being stand-offish, not at all. Having said that thought, I am trying to see how we can overcome that. I am aware time will tell the tale and I am confident it will be a good tale for all of us; Monarch and the consumer.
I'm skeptical, at best. You have a lot of damage control ahead of you.

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I think it's time that this thread gets capped.. THis has deteriorated into a slugfest with nothing being accomplished.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:05 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I think it's time that this thread gets capped.. THis has deteriorated into a slugfest with nothing being accomplished.
There is NO malice in these posts.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:08 PM   #78 (permalink)
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There is NO malice in these posts.
I agree with Ballast, we are making some forward motion.

As for being skeptical at best ballast, I understand and all I ask for is an open mind and a chance to prove it to you.
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Old 10-24-2006, 06:09 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I respectfully disagree, I have been watching this for a long time and it is not like that at all. Let's say for arguments sake we are 5.05
A new very dissatisfied will make it 5.01.
A new very satisfied will make it 5.07.
Additionally, if that same Very dissatisfied changes to a very satisfied the score again will only go to 5.07.
Someone should have paid more attention in math class regarding the calculation of arithmetic means. The phenomenon you describe is not an error in our system nor does it reflect "weighting". Examples follow:

Lets say you have the following survey response points:
3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3

Each response is 3 out of a total 4 possible points, therefore your rating would be 7.50 for the above eight survey responses.

Now lets take the same set of eight responses and add a ninth response, 4 or "Very Satisfied":
3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,4

That changes the rating from a 7.50 to a 7.78.

Now lets take the same set of eight responses and add a ninth response in the other direction, a 0, or "Very Dissatisfied":
3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,0

That changes the rating from a 7.50 to a 6.67.

So as you can see, your initial rating of 7.50 changed by -0.83 points from a "Very Dissatisfied" rating but only changed by +0.28 when you received a "Very Satisfied" rating.

Lets reverse the problem and start out with all "1's", which averages to a rating of 0.25:
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1

Adding a response of "4" increases the rating from 0.25 to 0.33.
Adding a response of "0" decreases the rating from 0.25 to 0.22.

So as you can see in this second instance, the "Very Satisfied" reponse actually increased the rating by a larger degree (+0.08) than the "Very Dissatisfied" response (-0.03).

Ultimately the impact that any new ratings will have on your overall rating is dictated by what responses you have received previously and what your overall rating is. The rules of arithmetic means are:

1) The more rating responses you have received, the less affect any new responses will have on your average (whether positive or negative).

2) The greater the difference between your average and any new rating, the more that rating will affect your average. For instance, if your average is 10.00, and you receive a "Very Dissatisfied" reponse, that new response will affect your average much more than if you received a "Very Satisfied" response (because your 10.00 rating was already "Very Satisfied" - a new rating isn't going to alter that). By contrast, if your overall rating was 0.00, a new "Very Satisfied" response would affect your overall rating much more than a "Very Dissatisfied" rating.

This is how arithmetic means of number sets work and it has nothing to do with our site. Your average is what your average is and it is based solely on survey points received out of points possible.

Surely you experienced this effect in school. You could be going along getting test averages of 95, 95, 95, 95, then bam, you get a 0 on a test and your 95 average suddenly blows out to 76. Then, you earn a 100 on a test but your average only goes up from a 76 to an 80. The 0 that you earned had a much greater impact on your average then the "100" that you earned.
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Someone should have paid more attention in math class regarding the calculation of arithmetic means. The phenomenon you describe is not an error in our system nor does it reflect "weighting"..... .
Wow that was alot of typing, but still not accurate. Sorry. I will e-mail you an example if you like. But to quote my new friend Ballast "the facts are the facts"

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