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Old 11-18-2002, 10:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Advice on Digital Camera......

For the Holidays I will be buying my Mother-in-law a digital camera. I have little knowledge of this technology.
Spending approx. $200-250.
She has good knowledge of computers.
Any suggestions????

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Old 11-18-2002, 10:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Get a camera with a high ISO equivalent rating. ISO100 equivalent rating takes blurry pictures in too many instances. A few 2.1 Megapixel cameras fall into your price range with that speed restriction applied. IMO, avoid Olympus, too many refurbs means too many failures, IMO.
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Old 11-18-2002, 10:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 11-19-2002, 08:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Ummm, sorta! Google!
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Old 11-19-2002, 08:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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We just bought Canon A40's as xmas gifts for people in the office. I got them for $199 each.They average about $230-250 on the web.

Seems like best bang for buck. Even has manual ISO settings.

Almost went with Olympus but a few people said not great idea *shrug* and I found out that one will be mine so...........


What sucks is that I know one is mine and they will be sitting there till the office party and I have to wait a month!!!!! arrghghghg.......lol

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Old 11-19-2002, 12:09 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Wow guys, who said don't go with Olympus???!
I've done a lot of research on digital cameras and the top three manufacturers are consistently Canon, Olympus, and Sony. I myself own the Olympus D-510 and love it. I'll be upgrading to the C-50 in short order, only because I want a smaller camera.

THe techimo link above has links to a number of great resources. My personal favorite (the one that decided me on the D-510 is imaging-resource. Here's a link to their 2MP camera reviews....

http://imaging-resource.com/DIGCAM04.HTM

As for Olympus having a lot of refurbs, my only guess is that their cameras are so good, that the refurbs are selling well... that's why you see a lot of them. Canon and Olympus have the FEWEST aftermarket problems with their digicams.

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You should check out these review sites that we've posted and looked for models in your price range, then if possible go to your local camera store and try it out! Everyone likes their cameras differently so hands on testing should be a good final determinant. My own personal reccomendations as far as features go are thus:
-all glass optics (the best image producing film cameras have all glass lenses, the same goes with digicams.)
-optical zoom (digital zoom is essentially worthless, it only magnifies the image after the image has been stored... it's like watching a perfect looking video on your computer in regular mode only to find out it's blurry at full-screen mode)
-uncompressed image format (this only applies if you are nitpicky about your images as I am. Virtually every manufacturer uses JPEG compression to store their images... it's a good compression [sort of like what divx does with large MPEG files] that reduces the size need to store the image... but essentially it removes random pixels throughout the picture to do this...there's a lot to explain about this and I can't do it all here, there are numerous links on the internet that can explain indepth.)
-optical viewfinder!!! (this is my biggest petpeeve about fuji's! They use what is called an electronic viewfinder... essentially it looks exactly like the LCD screen. This is fine under normal lighting conditions, but in low light it's VERY hard to seen anything using the "EVF")
-the more manual settings, the more you can tinker with the camera... it's up to you what you need and want. Good manual settings to have include ISO settings, exposure control, whitebalance, and a variety of image sizes (eg. 640x400, 1280x1096, etc.)

Here's my two cents on camera manufacturers. If they make good film cameras, it's almost a given they make decent digital cameras.

-Kodak's make very good photos and come with the popular docking station which makes it's use very very easy. My only complain with Kodak is that they do not use all glass optics, which can hurt sharpness, especially in the long run.

-Nikon and Fuji also take very good photos, though I personally wouldn't choose them. I don't like the setup of most their cameras (evf, zoom location, etc.)

-Sony's take great pictures. Period. One big problem though is that once you go Sony, you really go Sony. Their better cameras use the Sony memory stick, manufactured exclusively by them... this drives up the price, not to mention that it's not compatible with other cameras (should you decide to upgrade).

-Olympus is my personal favorite. They are extremely reliable, take very sharp photos, use all the features that I mentioned above, and have the biggest model range of any digicam manufacturer. This makes it easier to find the camera that's right for you. I love my D-510, it takes beautiful pictures on auto and has numerous settings to tweak. I'll be upgrading to the C-50 shorty only because of size. I want to be able to take it anywhere.

-Canon's pictures are at the top of the heap along with Olympus, Sony, and Fuji. They have a qide selection of cameras and support almost all the features I listed above. I almost went with Canon, the only drawback I have is that you cannot take pictures in uncompressed format. Again for most people this will never be an issue. I just like to have it there for those "special" pictures.

Hope this info helps you out!!
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Canon PowerShot A200, $179.95 at Dell.

Avoid no-name companies on high ticket items, they may be "Grey-Market" goods with no USA Warranty.

I bought one of these for sale, it had some of the clearest pictures I've seen to date, looked as good as Silver-Halide film.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...0&refurbished=
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I said avoid Olympus. I use them at work, and we just paid $170 for a 'slightly out of warranty' repair job to the card reader section.
When I was told the Olympus camera was going to cost $170, I decided to look around for replacement cameras since my personal camera, Fuji FinePix 2600z (slow ISO equivalent speed) was approaching $250 at the time, and the same Olympus model was offered as a refurb everywhere I looked (so it seemed).
C3030Zoom.

One model, yes, but I hinted the quantity of refurbs was the problem, not so much Olympus.

I should have stated the model in that post...
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Wow guys, who said don't go with Olympus???!
See my post(s) above
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As for Olympus having a lot of refurbs, my only guess is that their cameras are so good, that the refurbs are selling well... that's why you see a lot of them. Canon and Olympus have the FEWEST aftermarket problems with their digicams.
Not trying to argue, but cameras that are not broken will not get refurbed.
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-optical viewfinder!!! (this is my biggest petpeeve about fuji's! They use what is called an electronic viewfinder... essentially it looks exactly like the LCD screen. This is fine under normal lighting conditions, but in low light it's VERY hard to seen anything using the "EVF")
The FinePix 2600z does include an optical viewfinder, but the Optical Viewfinders I have used (on the Fuji Finepix 2600Z and the Olympus C3030Zoom) do not frame the shot exactly as the image lens will take the shot. This has caused me to take a few bad shots because one side of the shot was actually cropped in the file, but looked fine in the viewfinder. The LCD display on both those cameras have backlights and are clearly showing the shot you will get - use the LCD display to frame the shot.
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Here's my two cents on camera manufacturers. If they make good film cameras, it's almost a given they make decent digital cameras.
Agree totally. A Hewlett Packard 318S I owned for a few hours had severe optical distortion in every picture I took, upper left corner. Junk, paid $200 for it, back it went as defective.
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-Olympus is my personal favorite. They are extremely reliable,
Again, C3030Zoom issue noted earlier: there are models for each camera manufacturer, finding a model that is heavily available as refurbed is a clue that they break and need manufacturer refurbishment because of some defect.

One last thing which hasn't been clearly stated: I prefer a camera which allows me to disable digital zoom (and thus it has optical zoom available, which is clearly the better zoom technology). The Fuji Finepix 2600z sort of has that ability, the Hewlett Packard 318s was (I believe) all digital zoom, the Olympus C3030Zoom is, I believe all optical zoom.
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