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Old 05-28-2011, 01:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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TIME WARNER "Triple Play": Inverted Pricing-- When the Promotion Runs Out.

I'm having the darndest time trying to drop the third leg --the digital phone-- of the Cable HDTV + cable broadband Internet + digital phone --without having my monthly charge increased for doing so.

I'm told by Time Warner that the following is by an Internet promo service that brings business to Companies, but its promotions are not disputed by TW, you just have to dig for it a little and give more info about yourself when you go to the actual TW website.

Having called Time Warner here in NewYorkCity to drop the digital phone part from what started as the "Triple play" and keep cable HDTV + cable broadband internet (presently advertised as "double play" for $84.90) and reduce my Monthly charge accordingly, I was pointedly told "you would be foolish to do that because having just the two services would raise your monthly charge."

The difference between the two packages for what they call the “Voice" addition is $39.95. Denying me that reduction when I request a drop of the Voice (Digital telephone over cable) and adding $17 instead per month to drop that feature amounts to about $57 a month every month.


How things now stand:

I was blatently told when I tried to drop the digital phone thatI had it so wonderful that I was paying less that if I had only the TV and the Internet. Remember the saying that if something seems too good to be true, it's probably not?

After the “you would be foolish to drop the digital phone” and the "How wonderful you have it" conversation with TW Customer Service and my clear complaint about how imposing such a monetary penalty for service droppers in effect creates an implied contract when there is no contract to remain under service and since this implied contract was a) never disclosed and agreed to and B) is not time limited which is a requirement of contracts, that this policy is defective on all accounts.

This undisclosed policy of inverted pricing so that when the promotional period of one year ran out the double play arrangement becomes more costly so that the triple play pak would seem like bargain in comparison.

I was told I would be contacted by an individual by name who would offer their “triple-play” for $99.95 (for new customers in Manhattan ?) This is considerably less than what I'm paying now, but I suspected this might only be promotional rate only to run out again in a year.

Instead I was called by an individual with another name who talked in hyperspeed, was the proverbial “wouldn’t let you get a word in edgewise” type and seemed to want to berate the whole concept that anybody would want to drop digital phone with TW. Finally she resorted to an analogy that I found not only far removed from the instant circumstances but actually argued against her position.

The TW Analogy A store has a promotion where t-shirts cost $15 but if you buy two t-shirts they’ll sell them at $20 for both. If you return one t-shirt, they will charge you $15 for the remaining shirt.

Ignoring the fact for a minute that this is merchandise and not a monthly service, this very analogy argues against her position that if you return one of the two shirts the store will return the $5. The correct analogy is that you return one of the shirts, the store keeps the shirts (drops the phone service) doesn't return the $5 (or lower the charge) but raises the charge on your credit card for the remaining shirt from$15 to $25 so you end up a loser on both acounts. This is Time Warner's pricing posture if you want to drop the third item of the "three pak".

Two things emerge from my dealings with Time Warner:
There is almost a near desperation to get you to keep a service that neither want nor need no matter what. Accompanying that, there is a mindset seems that the customer needs to justify dropping a service as I was repeatedly asked Why I want to drop the digital phone component and an aggressive “You would be foolish because we’ll raise your price if you do” stance.

Neither of these makes Time Warner a Company I want to deal with. Right now I will be exploring my options regarding other broadband providers and perhaps even Cable providers or even the feasibility of doing without cable TV entirely as many others have done.

My advice to anybody thinking of enrolling in Time Warner's "triple Play" or any of their other Promotional packages is to inquire as --as specifically as possible --what happens when the promotional period runs out.

Don't be satisfied with some vague assurance that it may go up a little. The real issue is: What happens if you want to drop one or more of the two or three constituent components: what happens to the pricing then if you chose to drop something? Does it go down when you want less or is it priced for existing customers to go up so as to keep you on board and paying the now higher fees ?


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Old 05-28-2011, 07:30 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Notice something both quite Odd and quite Familiar

just about the $17 a month increase to drop "Voice" (aka digital phone over cable) from the Time Warner Triple play pack. Cell phone companies that sign you to a two year contract often impose a monetary penalty –often around $200 penalty per phone if you cancel early--a matter that has been subject to much dispute and revision.

Now look at the monthly increase of $17 that Time Warner cable imposes for dropping the digital-phone-over-cable from its 3-pak. Twelve times seventeen dollars (12 X $17) equals two-hundred and four dollars ($204). Except with the Cell Phone Companies this is a one-time penalty for exiting the contract early.

However, with Time Warner, there is no contract. The twelve month period is simply the length of the promotional period for which the lower promotional rate applies before it shoots up. By adding yet another price increase of $17 per month to drop “Voice”, Time Warner also achieves a $204 penalty for dropping it—except it is not a one-time charge but annually in perpetuity.

Time Warner uses pricing policy with the same effect of a "contract" to keep you in the triple- plan at the higher level because dropping even one feature like "Voice" will push your fees still higher--by $204 every year on top on the increases incurred when the 12 month "triple-play" promotion ran out.


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Old 10-28-2011, 12:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Twice This Week, Dept.

Watching a movie on Netflix recently nite and--WHAMMY !

Told by Tech that...well while tech is troubleshooting it TimeWarner discovers that it's a local outage.

Now again--ZAPP--now here's the annoying part:

When can Time Warner send someone out to fix it ?

On November 15th--that's in more than two weeks
WithOUT>>V

I) Internet
II) Anything supported by Internet, like Netflix VOD., and Internet Phone

Swell.

Supervisor can "speed that up" to sometime in five days--provided I'm home to receive phone call from Tech telling me of an unscheduled visit in an hour for this special "fast" service sometime--anytime--during next five days. Otherwise, back to 2 1/2 weeks for scheduled tech visit.

Hmmmm...Time for a change ?

Alternatives in the Big Apple ?

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ThanX, Big time.

I had to ignore my TW problems for a long while because of personal and than wife's ilness but now I'm returning to it and need to save money to pay them bills.

It is deliberate obfuscation.

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I just got a phone call from Time Warner that my complaint from January of 2010 [should be 2011-Ed.] was not reflected in their computer notes.
When I asked , "How far back do your computer notes go?", the response was, "I don't know". I suggested she check that before implying I was teling the true facts.
Anyhow, it's here for thousands to have read, if TW doesn't "know " about it.

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PS. TW's wifi mobile carrier was CLEAR back then. Now nobody --well, the person I spoke to in Mobile--knows nothing about CLEAR, so I'm getting the old "different department" razz-ma-tazz as If your DooG can be razz-ma-tazzed.

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