I almost bought a Sony PD170 because the price was $1049, about $1500 less than most well known dealers...then I thought "how can they do that"? So I checked "what's in the box"...camera itself was not listed. So I emailed them...haven't rec an ans yet because that was only an hour ago. I found this website and started looking...searched Expocameras and found a bunch of threads really knocking Expo. So I'm not dealing with these folks. Thanks for the website...wish everyone knew about it. bob