SCAM! EDLIVESHOP.COM NEXTSHOPELECTRONICS.COMM

[cissyxchen]

If you search iphone on yahoo, you will get two stores:

http://edliveshop.com/
http://www.nextshopelectronics.com/

Compare edliveshop with smartdiscountelectronics, which is on the RR scam store list already and discussed in an old thread on 'Discount Webstore' scam.
http://www.smartdiscountelectronics.com/

All 3 has the same contact with whois:
P O Box 99800, Emeryville, CA 94662

nextshopelectronics.com is down now and just changed contact info. I did a test run yesterday, Here is the payment instruction:

1. Make payment for your order using the following details :

Full name : Arianna Lombardi
Address: Valtou Street 3
Zip: 11361
City: Athens
State: Athens
Country: Greece

2. Keep following details to provide us proof that payment has been done:

- 10 digits number from the payment receipt ( MTCN )
- Sender Name and Address
- Amount
- Order Number

3. Email payment info or receipt at : payments@smartdiscountelectronics.com,
Western Union Money Transfer offers you 3 ways to send money :

So no more Rome?

Another domain to watch is electronicswebstore.com. Not up yet. But same contact info as edliveshop.com, and hosted on the same IP as electrodelivered.com (another recent scam). On the same IP, there is a fashion store greatcouture.com also certified by eucertonline.org (another scam). One more proof that all these scams are under the same operation.

[nomaxim]

Originally Posted by cissyxchen

All 3 has the same contact with whois:
P O Box 99800, Emeryville, CA 94662

That address is a private register service. You'll find it used by hundreds of websites.

Confirmed that smartdiscountelectronics.com and edliveshop.com are using the same web template.
WhoIs for smartdiscountelectronics.com, nextshopelectronics.com, and edliveshop.com are the same except for the dates. ICANN registrar and hosting servers are all the same.

EDIT;
Here is the WhoIs info for edshop-electronics.com that was added to the scam list back in AUG or SEP 2006. ICANN Registrar is the same for all four sites.

[cissyxchen]

3 more popped up after weekend. It's too easy to spot them now, just need to do an iphone search on yahoo!shopping.

electroforless.com ==> a copy of electroutpost.com
fastiphone.com => almost another copy, except they removed the eucertonline logo and the stolen picture under "About Us".
dreamfreeelectronics.com => a copy of nextshopelectronics.com

[nomaxim]

http://fastiphone.com/ WhoIs info gives the same address and phone number as the WhoIs for bestcruisesdiscounts.com

Domain Name: FASTIPHONE.COM

Registrant:
Fast Electronic Deals
Kelley Karns
5628 West Sand Lake Road
Orlando
Florida,32819
US
Tel. +1.3212480279

Domain Name: BESTCRUISESDISCOUNTS.COM

Registrant:
BestCruisesDiscounts, Inc
Larry Brown
5628 West Sand Lake Road
Orlando
FL,32819
US
Tel. +321.2480279

http://electroforless.com/ WhoIs info shows a private registration, however they use the Eurocertonline logo. They also use the same pic on their About Us page. I have not confirmed it, but I understand that that picture is of the Mathmatics Department at a University in Finland.

[nomaxim]

I made another post for these as they may be a different group(s). The Apple iPhone is a new hot item for scammers and will be popping up everywhere.
http://www.edliveshop.com seems to be off line at this time and is a exact copy, website wise, of http://www.smartdiscountelectronics.com/. smartdiscountelectroics and dreamfreeelectronics both have a private registration (Emeryville, CA), however edliveshop.com WhoIs info gives;

Domain Name.......... edliveshop.com
Creation Date........ 2007-07-07
Registration Date.... 2007-07-07
Expiry Date.......... 2008-07-07
Organisation Name.... LYNELLE SIKORA
Organisation Address. 7100 YOUNG ROAD
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. OLYMPIA
Organisation Address. 98502
Organisation Address. WA
.....
Admin Email.......... edliveshop @ yahoo.com (edited, remove spaces)
Admin Phone.......... +1.3608660642

Per Whitepages.com that address and phone number belong to someone else, likely victims of ID theft, so I have not posted their info (check the link). Also note the one year registration and free yahoo e-mail addy.
NOTE: Edliveshop.com had a private registration just a few days ago.

Similar story with http://www.dreamfreeelectronics.com/faq.php#11, link to their FAQ page, I have seen that same page a few times over the years,

How To Buy?
Submit your order on our site so we will know what items you want, and the address to send it to. To do this, click on the "Add To Cart" button in the shopping cart page. Then finalize your order. This will give you an order number without having to use a credit card. You will receive further information on processing the transaction.

This likely means wire-transfer only.

We try to keep our costs to a minimum so we can offer the products to you at lower prices. If we had to staff a toll-free number with sales people, this would increase our costs and we would have to raise our prices. Also we have learned that many companies with toll-free numbers receive unwelcome calls from other companies abusing the toll-free number to offer unsolicited goods and services, thereby increasing costs even further.
If you prefer, we would be happy to contact you by phone. You can e-mail your telephone number to one of our Customer Care Representatives at support@dreamfreeelectronics.com.

So you can not reach them.

We cannot process orders with a value less than US $650 because we have too many international orders and it is easier for us to process less orders with higher values. We are sorry for this inconvenience.

http://www.nextshopelectronics.com WhoIs info follows the same pattern as edliveshop.com,

Domain Name.......... nextshopelectronics.com
Creation Date........ 2007-07-11
Registration Date.... 2007-07-11
Expiry Date.......... 2008-07-11
Organisation Name.... JONG-MIN KIM
Organisation Address. 261 N. MADISON AVE #108
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. PASADENA
Organisation Address. 91101
Organisation Address. CA
Organisation Address. UNITED STATES
.....
Admin Email.......... nextshopelectronics @ yahoo.com (edited, remove spaces)
Admin Phone.......... +1.6262023532

Per Whitepages.co reverse phone, that number is unlisted. Again per Whitepages.com, reverse address this time , that is an apartment building. However the person liste in the WhoIs has a different phone number. S another case of ID theft.

[cissyxchen]

Originally Posted by nomaxim

[url="http://fastiphone.com/"]http://electroforless.com/ WhoIs info shows a private registration, however they use the Eurocertonline logo. They also use the same pic on their About Us page. I have not confirmed it, but I understand that that picture is of the Mathmatics Department at a University in Finland.

Nomaxim, here is the confirmation. I remember somebody found it via google image search:
http://vanha.math.utu.fi/research/automata/team.php

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I reported to AIMS (abuse@aims.com.my), the web hosting company of electroforless.com by addressing the connection to the electrodelivered.com scam. They passed me their client's "explanation". The name in the email header looks like a password to me, or it's an encrypted name?

> From: wernermmlba nji90okm
> [mailto:mjbusinesssolutions@msn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 4:14 AM
> To: abuse@shinjiru.com
> Subject: RE: [track.aims.com.my #639] scam report
> electroforless.com IP:
> 203.223.150.98
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> The person who filed a complaint was an unsatisfied
> customer. He filed the
> complaint without waiting for the payment refund so
> you will have to ignore
> his complaint. We have issued and paid him the full
> refund for his order.
> We are completely unsatisfied with your services.
> How can this be possible?
> You suspend a domain name after just one complaint?
> We wish that all our competitors hosted their stores
> with you so we can file
> complains to all of them.
> Please re-activate our domain or we will stop using
> your services.
>
> Thanks you,
> Robert Saint

[knuckleHead]

I placed an order with edliveshop.com a couple weeks ago for some car audio stuff. I used a credit card through their checkout. I have since learned the store is a scam and wondering if I should change my credit card number? They have not attempted to charge anything yet. Are scams like this only after other forms of payment or do they use the credit card info they get as well?

Thanks for any advice.

[The Merg]

Originally Posted by knuckleHead

I placed an order with edliveshop.com a couple weeks ago for some car audio stuff. I used a credit card through their checkout. I have since learned the store is a scam and wondering if I should change my credit card number? They have not attempted to charge anything yet. Are scams like this only after other forms of payment or do they use the credit card info they get as well?

Thanks for any advice.

The fact that you used your credit card means that you will have some way of getting your money back. You can take a chance to see if you end up getting anything, but I probably would not.

Your main recourse is to contact your credit card company. Tell them that you learned a company you placed an order with is a scam company. You can go ahead and cancel the account and your credit card company will issue you a new card number. They will also flag your old card number in case the scam company tries to charge to it or if someone else tries to use it fraudulently.

Make sure you also contact the company to cancel the order and keep a copy of that e-mail along with a delivery and read receipt. You can use those to show your credit card company that you attempted to cancel the order if the question arises that you are just trying to get out of paying for an order.

HTH and Good Luck!

- Merg

[knuckleHead]

Thanks for the reply. They didn't bill my credit card for my order, so I didn't lose out on any money. Guess I'll call my credit card company and get a new card to be on the safe side.

[cissyxchen]

This one pops out recently.
www.salesonmobile.com.

It has the same store front as fastiphone.com. Looks like from the same scam group as electrodelivered.com, electroutpost.com, electrforless.com.

Something new:
1. The stolen group picture is taken off.
2. The eucertonline.org logo is taken off.
3. They claim to ONLY charge credit cards. I wonder how the trick works if they give up Western Union? Seems they are using 2CO (2checkout.com) service now.

The copied "about us" from TigerDirect is still there.