phonesource-usa.com is a respectable site?

[isad]

Hi Every body, I'm Glad to join this Great Site,

Can I ask this Q ??

I'm Mostafa from Egypt, I have a credit card from a local Egyptian bank here in Cairo , but unfortunately this credit card is not accepted by many sites in US , among them is phonesource-usa.com, the site accept only US cards, but also accept wire transfers by Western Union and I'm afraid of that!!

Please tell me what to do ??

and please tell me about more sites accept international card,

Thanks ALOT!!

[nomaxim]

Hi isad, Welcome to RR.
Is this them? http://www.phonesource-usa.com/catalog/terms.php
Your are correct in being afraid of wire-transfer, never use a wire transfer with someone you do not know personally. If your credit card is a Visa or Mastercard you should not have a problem using it anywhere, if it is a local named card then you may have problems.

I would advise against using that company anyway, reasons being;
1.
The local BBB has this to say about them,

As of 12/29/2006, the Bureau has been UNABLE to confirm this company has a valid local business license for the locale in which they operate. IF A CONSUMER DOES BUSINESS WITH AN UNLICENSED FIRM, THEY DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK.

2.
They have a poor listing at Pricegrabber.com, only 1 out of five stars.

3.
I also noticed this from the website,

We accept all major credit cards, including Visa®, MasterCard®, and American Express®. Please be sure to provide the exact billing address and telephone number that your credit card issuer has on file for you. Incorrect information may cause a delay in processing your order.

I find it very odd that they want you do use your listed address yet each site I've found them at has a different address listed.
a. Website gives

Cellular Phone Trading, LLC
CUSTOMER SERVICE
3301 Spring Mountain Road, Suite 13
LAS VEGAS NV 89102

b. Pricegrabber gives,

505 E Windmill Lane, Ste 1-B 103
Las Vegas, NV 89123 - US

c.
BBB gives,

4600 W. Charleston Blvd.
Las Vegas, NV 89102

d.
WhoIs registration gives,

330 S. Decatur Blvd # 119
Cellular Phone Trading, LLC
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States

To be honest, you have no idea where this company is located. Also the website states,

At the present time, we only ship to the Continental U.S.

If you have talked to these people and they told you they would accept WU, I can find nothing in their terms about them even accepting WU payments. I'd say they were trying to scam you.

EDIT:
The phone number listed at the website (702) 362-6891 comes back on Whitepages listed to a individual with yet another address,

5805 W Harmon Ave, Spc 150
Las Vegas, NV 89103-4855
(702) 362-6891

You ask,"Is phonesource-usa.com a respectable site?". My answer, NO.

[isad]

Oh,you do not know how much i grateful to you!!
You are really show me the truth about this site,
Thank you, really Thank you !!

I will never use this scam Western Union only Credit Card

[PhoneSourceUSA]

@nomaxim:

Good investigation, but not good enough. You should spend a little more time.
I guess you don't know us and never had business with us.

BBB: You might write them a letter why they are having old data. This store address ( yes we have retail stores ) is from 2004. You might check official websites instead of 3rd parties ? I can help you ( remember to use the company name ):

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/busin...h/blinname.asp

Pricegrabber and Website: Same address as well on official sites. But remember we do have two (2!) official addresses.

White Pages: We have our number since 2003. You might get the latest version of the yellow pages, huh ? And no, this Phone # is not registered under an individual.

Credit Cards: Correct, we do not accept any Credit Cards issued from banks outside the USA as many other electronic resellers on the internet. As an investigator you should know why. International orders can be made by wire transfer which has nothing to do with Western Union. A wire transfer is a bank to bank transfer.

Since you don't know us you have no right to call us fraud unless u prove it ! With a little more investigation time you can even see an excellent feedback on eBay.

@isad: Since CC is your only option you might consider buying localy in your country.

[Edit:] We have contacted White Pages regarding the wrong listing.

[nomaxim]

Anywho.com or AT&T,

Reason: No listings were found.
We searched on 3626891 in 702 however; we could not find any listings to display.

Switchboard.com or the yellow pages

Your search for "702- 362-6891 " did not match any results.

http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us/busin...asp?ID=2068425

License Number: 2000423.514
Business: Cellular Phone Trading, LLC
Suite #13
3301 Spring Mountain Rd
Las Vegas, NV 89102
Business Telephone: (702) 362-6891
License Category: Merchandise Broker
Status: Licensed
Date of License: 12/21/2006
Expiration Date: 02/28/2007

BBB

As of 12/29/2006, the Bureau has been UNABLE to confirm this company has a valid local business license for the locale in which they operate. IF A CONSUMER DOES BUSINESS WITH AN UNLICENSED FIRM, THEY DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK.

Business start date Jan.2003 and has only recently filed for a 60 day license. If the BBB info is incorrect then please notify them. It is your business after all, not mine. But, in your favor the BBB also says,

Based on BBB files, this company has a satisfactory record with the Bureau.

http://www.phonesource-usa.com/catalog/terms.php

At the present time, we only ship to the Continental U.S.

Since isad is in Egypt why not just tell him you don't ship there? Instead of telling him to use a wire-transfer which is the same as sending cash and carries no fraud protection.

[PhoneSourceUSA]

BBB:
Business start date Jan.2003 and has only recently filed for a 60 day license. If the BBB info is incorrect then please notify them. It is your business after all, not mine. But, in your favor the BBB also says,

A business licence with Clark County Nevada must be renewed every 90 days.
Since we are not a BBB member I don't see any reason to contact them. An organization like this should keep it's database up to date on it's own. I don't do business with them.

The new licence date is in result of a move :-) Our old licence and registered address was the one shown on BBB website. Again, if you spend more time, you will find everything, we have nothing to hide.

One more search for you: http://www3.lasvegasnevada.gov/Bus-license/Search.asp

Business Name: CELLULAR PHONE TRADING LLC
Address: 4600 W CHARLESTON BL
Phone: 266-6677
License # : T18-00676
Issued : 9/2/2005
Status : Out of Business
Owner : Christian HAXEL
Owner title : Owner

If you like to go deeper into the ages, there some more official websites.

Have a good weekend.

Christian

[nomaxim]

Originally Posted by PhoneSourceUSA

Again, if you spend more time, you will find everything, we have nothing to hide.

Didn't say you had anything to hide, even though tracking down a listed phone number is getting somewhat difficult. NOTE: all e-mail addy's have been edited, remove spaces.

Registrant:
Christian Haxel
330 S. Decatur Blvd # 119
Cellular Phone Trading, LLC
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States

Registered through: BlueHost.Com
Domain Name: PHONESOURCE-USA.COM
Created on: 03-May-05
Expires on: 03-May-07
Last Updated on: 18-Jun-06

Administrative Contact:
, webmaster @ cellularphones-trading.com
Cellular Phone Trading LLC
330 S. Decatur Blvd # 119
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
+1.8664930986

Technical Contact:
Haxel, Christian webmaster @ cellularphones-trading.com
330 S. Decatur Blvd # 119
Cellular Phone Trading, LLC
Las Vegas, Nevada 89107
United States
+1.8664930986

cellularphones-trading.com

owner-c] handle: 296116
[owner-c] type: ORG
[owner-c] title:
[owner-c] fname: Christian
[owner-c] lname: Haxel
[owner-c] org: Cellular Phones Trading, LLC
[owner-c] address: 330 S. Decatur Blvd
[owner-c] city: Las Vegas
[owner-c] pcode: 89107
[owner-c] country: DE
[owner-c] state: DE
[owner-c] phone: +49-1702-2666677
[owner-c] fax: +49-000-000
[owner-c] email: christian.haxel @ gsmphonesource.com
[owner-c] protection: B
[owner-c] updated: 2004-05-18 12:36:09

[admin-c] handle: 296116
[admin-c] type: ORG
[admin-c] title:
[admin-c] fname: Christian
[admin-c] lname: Haxel
[admin-c] org: Cellular Phones Trading, LLC
[admin-c] address: 330 S. Decatur Blvd
[admin-c] city: Las Vegas
[admin-c] pcode: 89107
[admin-c] country: DE
[admin-c] state: DE
[admin-c] phone: +49-1702-2666677
[admin-c] fax: +49-000-000
[admin-c] email: christian.haxel @ gsmphonesource.com
[admin-c] protection: B
[admin-c] updated: 2004-05-18 12:36:09

gsmphonesource.com

Registrant: Make this info private
GSM PhoneSource
2505 Anthem Village Dr
Suite E-519
Henderson, NV 89052
US

Domain Name: GSMPHONESOURCE.COM
Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Roth, Adam
info @ gsmphonesource.com
2505 Anthem Village Dr
Suite E-519
Henderson, NV 89052
US
Phone: 702-966-0342
Fax: 702-920-8024
Record expires on 03-Sep-2008
Record created on 03-Sep-2002
Database last updated on 27-Jun-2006

Which leads to this BBB report.

Original Business Start Date: July 2004
Local Business Start Date: July 2004
Type of Entity: Sole Proprietorship
Principal : Adam Roth, Owner
Phone Number: (702) 290-9012
BBB Membership: This company is not a member
Type-of-Business Classification: Cellular Accessories
Based on BBB files, this company has an unsatisfactory record with the Bureau due to one or more unanswered complaints.
As of 7/20/2004, the Bureau has been UNABLE to confirm this company has a valid local business license for the locale in which they operate. IF A CONSUMER DOES BUSINESS WITH AN UNLICENSED FIRM, THEY DO SO AT THEIR OWN RISK

You seem to have a history of being connected to unlicensed busness's with no listed phone numbers.
(702) 362-6891
(702) 290-9012
(702) 966-0342
I haven't checked these two;
(866) 493-0986
+49-1702-2666677 This one is in Germany.
This one seems to still show, but you claim you are no longer at this address,

Cellular Phone Trading
4600 W Charleston Blvd
Las Vegas, NV
(702) 266-6677

[PhoneSourceUSA]

STOP !

Since we have nothing to do with GSMPhonesource, I have you to remove those informations urgently.

All our listed Phone "'s are working.

i.e.: 702-362-6891, 702-266-6677

[nomaxim]

Originally Posted by PhoneSourceUSA

STOP !

Since we have nothing to do with GSMPhonesource ( my employeer in 2002 ), I have you to remove those informations urgently.

All our listed Phone "'s are working.

i.e.: 702-362-6891, 702-266-6677

As luck would have it I quoted you before you edited you post. (EDIT:I love FireFox.)

domain: cellularphones-trading.com
Created: 2003-10-28
Expires: 2007-10-28

This website in which you are listed as the admin/owner was created in Oct. of 2003.Also I didn't say that PhoneSourceUSA had anything to do with gsmphonesource, only that you did. Even thou I find it rather odd that the names are so much alike.

Originally Posted by PhoneSourceUSA

All our listed Phone "'s are working.

They may be working, but 702-362-6891 is not listed as posted above. And 702-266-6677 is as you said;

Originally Posted by PhoneSourceUSA

Business Name: CELLULAR PHONE TRADING LLC
Address: 4600 W CHARLESTON BL
Phone: 266-6677
License # : T18-00676
Issued : 9/2/2005
Status : Out of Business
Owner : Christian HAXEL
Owner title : Owner

Originally Posted by PhoneSourceUSA

The new licence date is in result of a move :-) Our old licence and registered address was the one shown on BBB website.

Originally Posted by PhoneSourceUSA

A business licence with Clark County Nevada must be renewed every 90 days.
Since we are not a BBB member I don't see any reason to contact them. An organization like this should keep it's database up to date on it's own. I don't do business with them.

Since you see no reason to notify the BBB (or anyone else it seems) about errors with the records. Then you will just have to live with the loss of customers due to those errors. And since all I have done is list these numerous errors IMO the only one to blame is yourself, for not correcting them in the first place. If and when you go about correcting these errors, than I will be more then happy to go back and edit my posts accordingly.

Second EDIT, first was at 11:50 PM:

Originally Posted by PhoneSourceUSA

I guess you don't know us and never had business with us.

Correct, I have never used your company. Therefore all my posts are neutral and without bias.

[frostbitetwice]

Cell phone trading ???? what a great name for a company. Are you guys for real.

Nomaxim, you are the man.