New Scammers: EusaTech Electronics, more..

[boostedtsi]

You are right, I did grow up in a urban environment. So you could say I am definitely street wise.

And being a member of many many forums I see where others went wrong and learn from their mistakes.

I tried to explain that I do not mean to come off harsh, rude or whatever. But this an internet forum, and emotions cannot be written. I feel for the victims, but as you said, my living experiences raised questions that obviously do not get raised in the people that fell victim.

That is why my last reply I went ahead and listed some of my major triggers. My way of passing the knowledge.

My comments about the CC info was that to do it would not be in their favor. It creates an instant trail for the user of said info to be traced. And add the fact that they are becoming more wise about these scams, you are far less likely to suffer anything for a length of time.

[racermike]

Originally Posted by digitech1

Not to argue but "common sense" is not to blame. Low low prices are often associated with wholesale and probably what many come to think of at first being that the site had a minimum purchase amount. The site even went by www.wholesale-4all.com

The main way people commit identify theft is by collecting Credit Card and personal information. They don't have to use it themselves, they can sell the information or "share" it. Electronic I.D. Theft is very very common. You would have submitted your Name, Address, Phone Number, Credit Card# and maybe P.I.N. (verifier)from back of CC. So I'm not sure what you are arguing? This is not a debate about how to scam. This is an informative thread on this ring of fraudulent websites. Nothin' personal dude.

Again I'm not here to argue or defend but everybody has a different perspective. We don't all see the glass "half empty" so to speak. You were perhaps subconsciously "educated" in a sense because of experience, whether your own or someone elses. Not everyone is exposed to this environment.

If you grow up in the big city New York - your mentality is different than living in the middle of Kansas. You walk the streets differently, you look at people differently, you watch for different things. You know what to buy from where and whom. Street-wise.

Does coming from one place or the other make one have more "common sense" than the other?

It is a little immature to say "so by default so do you.." but hopefully we are all adults here. I actually feel that you are frustrated that people are falling for these scams because they are so obvious to you but remember, you are whom you are because of your experiences.

Okay, okay. I promised not to keep going on but everybody has to be "sensitive" to victims of any crime. Being positive goes a long way such as maybe being constructive and make some suggestions based on your knowledge and experience that could be of help. Share your knowledge... If you have this "eye" for fraud, contribute. Help post sites that are highly visible that you may have come across.

Instead of saying
"3. If you saw signs that it not seem right (only one way to pay maybe?) why did you not take a step back and investigate?"

say

"I've observed these sites have one way to pay. From my experience and knowledge I know to stay away from these sites. You can educate yourself by stepping back and investigating. I found this info helpful so I'm sharing this link: http://onguardonline.gov/index.html "

Thank you for sharing your opinion, you have some interesting points.

Sorry again, I'm use to debating.....

Thank you.....I just don't know how to put some things into words.......

[boostedtsi]

And as far as coming across sites, I usually only do so when looking for a new supplier of something specific.

As I made another thread I am into case modding, and water cooling, ect...
Since I refuse to deal with NewEgg EVER again, (I went to TD for main parts) and just very recently Xoxide (my other staple mod parts supplier) screwed me, I am looking for another place to get my fix.

I currently have 2 'boxes' 2 servers (win and linux/Ubuntu) and a laptop. 2 of them are water cooled, with another fresh build water cooled lan party box to start soon.
When I start glancing over sites, I do not pay attention ot the name if something hits me wrong, I just move on. Now I will try to pay some more attention and list them.

I will say that I will now move my 'mod fix' to a mix of danger den.com and frozencpu.com.

[nomaxim]

Digitech1,
Welcome to RR.
This pattern of websites goes on and on. I've been seeing lots of similar sites pop up over the years. Last spring one group kept using the same warehouse address in Italy for example. This is what is commonly known as organized crime. This is not little Billy in his room playing around. They can set up a website in minutes and will keep moving around until the law starts to close in on them, and then disappear.

They then start all over again, because they make money doing it. They will aways be able to find a few people to send them $500 or a $1000 for a deal, and each one is pure profit. Well, minus the $100 or so it costs to set up a new site. They keep using similar templates because it saves time. They have to do other things like move drugs, collect gambling debts, check on the prostitutes/sex slaves, and let's not forget the child labor slavery or moving illegal aliens. Cruel would but that's what happens in it.

The best action is to educate people on how to find and know a scam site. I've got this saying that, "Prisons aren't full of criminals, but stupid people." The stupid one's are caught rather quickly, these people aren't stupid. They likely make more a week then all of us posting in this thread make in a year.

Your best bet is to report it to the Feds at http://ic3.gov/ because they have the resources to catch up with them, one day at least.

[digitech1]

Originally Posted by nomaxim

Digitech1,
Welcome to RR.
This pattern of websites goes on and on. I've been seeing lots of similar sites pop up over the years. Last spring one group kept using the same warehouse address in Italy for example. This is what is commonly known as organized crime. This is not little Billy in his room playing around. They can set up a website in minutes and will keep moving around until the law starts to close in on them, and then disappear.

They then start all over again, because they make money doing it. They will aways be able to find a few people to send them $500 or a $1000 for a deal, and each one is pure profit. Well, minus the $100 or so it costs to set up a new site. They keep using similar templates because it saves time. They have to do other things like move drugs, collect gambling debts, check on the prostitutes/sex slaves, and let's not forget the child labor slavery or moving illegal aliens. Cruel would but that's what happens in it.

The best action is to educate people on how to find and know a scam site. I've got this saying that, "Prisons aren't full of criminals, but stupid people." The stupid one's are caught rather quickly, these people aren't stupid. They likely make more a week then all of us posting in this thread make in a year.

Your best bet is to report it to the Feds at http://ic3.gov/ because they have the resources to catch up with them, one day at least.

Thanks nomaxim,

When looking further into it yes this is organized crime. I did report them to IC3.gov and do encourage everyone else to do the same also. I do think because these particular sites are so visible on the net we all do well to report it in an organized way. I'm shopping for electronics all the time and doing price comparisons and I have never come across sites like this until recently. They are making the sites very visible by submitting them to the most popular shop engines.

If I'm looking for an electronics deal on a particular item there is no way I can miss the signs now. I've educated myself enough to recognize them. Regardless of what template these criminals use it will be the prices that will give them away. EVERY item is significally lower than anywhere else. Of course the payment method also. I do have a responsiblity to alert others now though. It's just the responsible thing do.

[racermike]

Hey guys,

When I file a complaint at IC3.gov, what should I put for the 'crooks' name, address and other info? Since I don't really know their names and address, otherwise I would go break some heads myself, should I just put the names and address from the website I got scammed from?

Thanks

Mike

[revrenc]

Hello Everyone, this post is to Digitech1. I just wanted to tell you that I sent my info to you, let me know if there is anything else I can do to help

[Mr. Update]

Hey Everyone,

DISCOUNTS-WEBSTORE.COM is now doing business as: www.winter-sale.us

Simply check the shipping and handling section as they didn't bother changing it - "What shipping method does Discounts-Webstore use?"

Western Union only payment methods, and again the Washington Street Address that doesn't exist.... 203 N. Washington St. Los Angeles, CA 90428

WHOIS shows the IP in (MALAYSIA) and wire transfers to Italy

They list themselves as Internet Authorized resellers for various vendors, but the vendors don't list them as authorized.

These people need to have Interpol lock them away forever.... why isn't there an easy way to report criminals and know that someone is taking it seriously??? Has anyone ever heard a decent response from law enforcement?

Just wanted to keep everyone updated, in case someone has dialog with the authorities. - thanks!

[racermike]

Originally Posted by nomaxim

Digitech1,
Welcome to RR.
This is not little Billy in his room playing around. They can set up a website in minutes and will keep moving around until the law starts to close in on them, and then disappear.

They then start all over again, because they make money doing it. They will aways be able to find a few people to send them $500 or a $1000 for a deal, and each one is pure profit. Well, minus the $100 or so it costs to set up a new site. They keep using similar templates because it saves time. They have to do other things like move drugs, collect gambling debts, check on the prostitutes/sex slaves, and let's not forget the child labor slavery or moving illegal aliens. Cruel would but that's what happens in it..

Well, you would sure think after donating my $500 to the world of organized crime, I would receive a little protection for it!!!

All in all, it's just sick. I agree. I have been on discounts-webstore recently and can't place an order, not can you send them any emails. That seems to be down at least. The wintersale-us site though is still up. Just last night I ordered 10,000 PS3's from them!! I figure I might give them a little hassle for the heck of it. It would be nice to have some indication that authourities somewhere are dealing with this, and setting up some sort of a 'sting' operation just as digitech mentioned. That would be the only way to catch these theives methinks.......

I will check in with you all later.

Mike

[Lara RR]

winter-sale.us is added to the Online Scam Store (Online Scam Stores - A list and guide) list:

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What payment methods do you accept?

We accept Western Union Money Transfer Service (Additional information on how to make the payment will be emailed attached to the invoice).
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