New Scammers: EusaTech Electronics, more..

[racermike]

digitech

I sent you an email. Let me know if theres ANYTHING else we can do.

Thanks

Mike

[digitech1]

Originally Posted by racermike

digitech

I sent you an email. Let me know if theres ANYTHING else we can do.

Thanks

Mike

Thanks,

I replied back to you Mike. Good news, IBCIM.ORG (Legit site) is helping shut these sites down. Every can help by periodically looking for some of discount-webstore products that are featured in the site within various search engines (use the model#) and reporting it here when you find a new version of the scam sites.

QUESTION to this thread. Is there a way to make this thread more visible? I would like to change the thread title to Scammers: Discount Webstore or use keywords like discount webstore review. Any ideas where I can make post somewhere more visible and link to this thread? If I administered this site I would put it in Bold Red on the home page. To me at least you can't get anymore abusive to consumers as these scammers have been. I don't see how you couldn't justify putting this thread "in lights" so to speak.

I just went to another forum a few minutes ago and guess what? Another site in RED now is up! Check it out www.winter-sale.us I'm telling you these guys will not give up! Notice no "MERCHANT CERTIFIED" link is there.

That is because of IBCIM.ORG getting them slowly shutdown. I've asked for there help again but not sure if they can help since the site is not using EICAFRAUD links that copy their site.


digitech

[boostedtsi]

I do not know what it is exactly, but I tend to see through these things...

I refuse to deal with anything that sets off ANY red flags.

Everything else aside (and people do not take this the wrong way) GET A CLUE! If they only accept wire transfer as payment... HUGE HUGE

What are you thinking? I mean you were told about all these scams that only use wire transfer as payment for the past DECADE. But yet you still willingly send payment through wire transfer?

I do not care how a web page looks, if there is ANYTHING I do not like about it I pass, spend a few more bucks but at least get what I paid for.

Again I do not mean to come off high and mighty, but common... Granted I am 30 and have been dealing with computers and the net and internet sales for a while and I have somehow avoided getting ripped off. At least by someone not on Ebay...

I see this as the person that opens that attachment from someone they have no clue who they are and are surprised when they get a virus...

This site or not, I just guess my pessimism of the trustworthiness of others has made me look past the great prices and see what lies beneath... I do not know how many sales sites I have browsed to, and as soon as they open I go back and to a different one because something just looks 'off'. Granted were they all rip offs? maybe not. But I feel better not risking it as well.

[digitech1]

Originally Posted by boostedtsi

I do not know what it is exactly, but I tend to see through these things...

I refuse to deal with anything that sets off ANY red flags.

Everything else aside (and people do not take this the wrong way) GET A CLUE! If they only accept wire transfer as payment... HUGE HUGE

What are you thinking? I mean you were told about all these scams that only use wire transfer as payment for the past DECADE. But yet you still willingly send payment through wire transfer?

I do not care how a web page looks, if there is ANYTHING I do not like about it I pass, spend a few more bucks but at least get what I paid for.

Again I do not mean to come off high and mighty, but common... Granted I am 30 and have been dealing with computers and the net and internet sales for a while and I have somehow avoided getting ripped off. At least by someone not on Ebay...

I see this as the person that opens that attachment from someone they have no clue who they are and are surprised when they get a virus...

This site or not, I just guess my pessimism of the trustworthiness of others has made me look past the great prices and see what lies beneath... I do not know how many sales sites I have browsed to, and as soon as they open I go back and to a different one because something just looks 'off'. Granted were they all rip offs? maybe not. But I feel better not risking it as well.

I think your right in what you are saying. I am actually a Network LAN Administrator 31yo and "I" should have known better. I felt so stupid going against my better judgement. The lust of low prices! Because of too dealing with so many online stores and to be honest "never" having a bad experience my guard was down. I think others can agree with me that it's the lure - the attractiveness of the website along with the low low prices that makes you reason somehow "man - no one would go through this much trouble to be dishonest" Put plain and simple, it's a nice con job. What if they were to include Credit Card entry on the site? How many do you think would fall for that? They could easily next week do that under a different guise and have identity theft to add to their list. Personally I believe that each search engine should have a forum on their home page that allows users to post after an investigation SCAM sites. They post all the other trivial crap but this is something important to all users.

Everyone is not stupid who are victims, just trusting.

I'm very technically educated but I am also trusting.

In fact the perfect scam would involve a site like these that had both options but after you put in your credit information it says "sorry, our online electronic payment system is experiencing problems" or "down for maintenance" to guarantee the availability of these limited quantity products please use option B - Western Union transfer. If they don't get you that way guess what? They have your Credit info!!

I have learned my lesson and now the lights are on. Fool me "once" but that's it. Truth is are most people are trusting unless an experience changes them. To be honest I haven't seen a lot of this on the net until I did extensive research recently. How many legit sites do you see that bother to "educate" buyers against fraud? The internet is vast but these guys have managed to make their sites very visible within search and online price comparison engines.

If a consumer is searching Amazon.com, Froogle.com, pricegrabber.com, Yahooshopping.com, shopzilla.com etc and these reputable sites come up with an nicely laid out electronics store with the lowest price (with reviews that say "this place is great! I received my package in 3 days") not knowingly posted by the scammers.....get the picture.

I'm not going to waste my time responding to everything on this thread (I do have a life) but the fact is that yes, Wire Transfer should have been the clue but, we are human - we take chances sometimes - it's our nature. Ever heard of mistakes? These experiences happen everyday. Well enough of my extensive typing and preaching... I'll refrain from these long post (had a lot of caffeine today)

[racermike]

Boostedtsi.....

OK, I already know I got scammed....and I already know I'm out $500+. Is there any reason you have to point out how foolish I was and some of the others here were? Are you helping at all? I think not. There have been several posts previous to yours about what 'we' should have watched out for. The fact that you posted it AGAIN, well, that is pretty rude in my book. Everything digitech replied with, I couldn't agree more. I bet you've never goofed in your life, huh? Must be nice!

[boostedtsi]

Originally Posted by racermike

Boostedtsi.....

OK, I already know I got scammed....and I already know I'm out $500+. Is there any reason you have to point out how foolish I was and some of the others here were? Are you helping at all? I think not. There have been several posts previous to yours about what 'we' should have watched out for. The fact that you posted it AGAIN, well, that is pretty rude in my book. Everything digitech replied with, I couldn't agree more. I bet you've never goofed in your life, huh? Must be nice!

If they did accept credit card payments, the people could be traced in a heart beat. W either or not the local (to them) police do anything is different.

If they did as you said and mocked the sale and error'd the CC sale page (like you said just to gain your CC info) then the first time they tried to use it they could be traced in a heart beat. Granted yes you would have to deal with CC company but most are getting much much better about these scams. And you would get that money back...

1. I only read a few of the postings.
2. I was (as I typed several times) not meaning to come off 'high and mighty' in that post.
3. If you saw signs that it not seem right (only one way to pay maybe?) why did you not take a step back and investigate?

What I posted was completely legit, you need to look at things not take them for face value. Do not become so wrapped up in the 'low low price' that your common sense takes a walk on you.

Have I messed up? sure. But I have not been taken online (accept the afore mentioned Ebay) where you always shoot the dice anyway.

If you let yourself be swayed by the $$$ signs and ignore things that you probably saw that clued you off in someway that this might not be a good thing to do. Again, then maybe it takes something like this to 'wake you up'. I am not in any way happy that anyone got ripped off by these people, but in my eyes there was PLENTY of things that would have made me steer well clear of them. Again, maybe I just see through things way too easy, I guess that comes with hearing about others being ripped off by the same scam.

Hell I have avoided sellers on ebay for refusing paypal as a form of payment many a times. Maybe I just learned quickly from others' goof ups not to trust people that insist on wire transfer as payment...

Just so you know, he agreed with everything I said, so by default so do you...

[racermike]

I never did say I didn't agree with what you said....just that you dont need to put ANOTHER post on the obvious. I did check on said website before I bought. I didn't find anything. I looked on epinions, and did searches relating to www.discounts-webstore.com in every different spelling and way possible, and couldn't find anything. It wasn't until I searched the phone number and address early this week that I found this message board. I wish I could have found this beforehand. I looked at the eica-fraud.org website, and everything looked pretty legit. When I read that cash was being sent oversees for tax purposes, I though that makes sense......I was completely mislead and made an error in judgement, just as several others have. Like I say, there were plenty of posts before yours telling me the mistakes I made, and yours is just a jerk-wad response that is un-needed. I have enough on my plate right now coming up with more money for a Xmas present for my wife, and don't really need your high and mighty (even though you don't think they are) responses. I don't know how you think you are helping the situation, because you are not!

[boostedtsi]

Originally Posted by racermike

I never did say I didn't agree with what you said....just that you dont need to put ANOTHER post on the obvious. I did check on said website before I bought. I didn't find anything. I looked on epinions, and did searches relating to www.discounts-webstore.com in every different spelling and way possible, and couldn't find anything. It wasn't until I searched the phone number and address early this week that I found this message board. I wish I could have found this beforehand. I looked at the eica-fraud.org website, and everything looked pretty legit. When I read that cash was being sent oversees for tax purposes, I though that makes sense......I was completely mislead and made an error in judgement, just as several others have. Like I say, there were plenty of posts before yours telling me the mistakes I made, and yours is just a jerk-wad response that is un-needed. I have enough on my plate right now coming up with more money for a Xmas present for my wife, and don't really need your high and mighty (even though you don't think they are) responses. I don't know how you think you are helping the situation, because you are not!

1. There are no replies before mine stating the one major thing that SHOULD have tipped you (and others) off that this may be a scam. I just glanced through to make sure.

2. There are no posts anywhere calling the victims stupid.

3. The tax avoiding by paying overseas thing is another MAJOR trigger for me. They have to report the income no matter what (that means taxes). To avoid local (in state) sales tax is fine, on line businesses and buyers do it all the time. But they claiming to send it overseas to avoid it is pure BS.

4. There were numerous posts saying that this place was a fraud. Nothing else. My replies are aimed at what people need to look for and step back and ask 'is this deal too good?'
That way next time you are faced with the same decision you might now remember some of the things I wrote here and use them to judge. The emotional response I am getting from you is actually a good thing. You may think me a jerk now, but just how much are you going to remember what I wrote when it comes down the line again? I bet all of it.

5. My response was not 'jerk-wad' it was pointing out that this is an old and very well recognized scam pattern, just a newer twist. Instead of going after cars, and promising 'bank holdings and money' they set up a web page and feed the same lines.

6. I said I do not mean to sound 'high and mighty' though I know they do, I do not mean to come off that way. That is the emotionless writing that internet forums provide.

7. By listing what you should look for next time, yes I am helping.

Like I said, I am sorry you got taken, and I am glad you are getting mad at me, that creates emotional memory that will stick with you for quite some time. So everything I wrote that triggers my flags will now trigger yours as well.

[tbj997]

Thank you digitech1 for all your efforts! You have made me feel better knowing that I am not the only one that feels the same way you do about catching these bastards. I also work in the technical field, but like how you said the low prices, the quick response emails, and the website...who would go through all the trouble? Let me know what I can do to help. I'm on board.

Tom,

Originally Posted by digitech1

This scammer:
www.eusatech.com
www.wholesale-4all.com
www.pulastore.com
www.electronics-4all.com
www.discountsweb-encrypted.com
www.pizda-store.com
www.discountsdotcom.com
www.discount-webstore.com
www.discounts-webstore.com
www.universewebstore.com
www.onlinewintersale.com
www.bigwintersale.com
www.webstoreuniverse.com
www.universe-electronics.com
www.universe-webstore.com
WWW.EICAFRAUD.ORG
WWW.EICAFRAUDS.ORG
WWW.EICA-FRAUD.ORG
WWW.EICAFRAUD.INFO

New 11\30\06 www.winter-sale.us

or whatever you want to call them will continue this cycle. They have remained elusive. I have reported these sites to every organization I could find and spent some time Monday talking live to many on the phone including representives at Yahoo and Google. I also emailed sites like Tigerdirect and Amazon including the real site the EICAFRAUD link is imitating which is www.ibcim.org

There response to the question "Are you associated with WWW.EICA-FRAUD.ORG?:

> No this is a website that we are currently taking
> legal action against. It is used to scam people of
> money.
>
> Christian H. Nilsson
> service@ibcim.org

Well shortly after they are shutdown but look, this appeared today without the .org - WWW.EICAFRAUD.INFO

I started 11/25 and the most I've seen as progress probably from the results of the over 50 complaints I made this week is most of the URLs above like www.discounts-webstore.com are inactive now (11/30/06). Though many of the sites are now redirecting to www.discount-webstore.com Active.

Think about it, how easy is it to come up with another name after the domain "shuts" them down. To win this war it would take an investigator dedicated to each week searching for this/these people with enough power to enforce shutdowns and then physically catching these criminals.

Bottom line, unless this person/people are caught it will continue. Sad things is even more will pop up once criminals find out how easy it is to evaid the law. Most people like myself were tempted by the low prices and professional looking webpage with pictures of every electronic and "too good to be true" prices. I even considered buying and selling. They also have quick email responses. Here are my observations.

An authority (FBI, Interpol, etc) needs to set up a transaction or several that can be traced "somehow" through Western Union. (To me Western Union needs to be involved at this point but think about it..they are making money from every transaction too.)

Once they get an idea of where this money is going investigate further to find out if it is a group or individual. Someone may be "picking up" the money who actually is employed as a Western Union agent.

Once that is done a sting operation should be made. The question is does anybody really care besides us most of whom have been ripped off? This is like a needle in a hackstack at the end of the day. The criminals may be even reading this Thread for laughs! They can easily find this thread to see what the heat is like. I see them posting fake reviews like here - http://shopping.yahoo.com/merchratin...ant_id=1049051

(Notice Maria C's comment in the link above) You know that's B.S.!!!

I see it this way. It needs to be a huge organized detailed complaint with names of victims with all the original emails (with header info), fake invoices that were emailed and Western Unions receipts and the Website address that was involved. Include even search engine involved.

Fact is it needs to be a real case. Obviously this scam is worldwide being that they have this site http://www.onlinewintersale.com for European customers. (active as of 11/30/06)

Who is in this with me? I'm not going to sit around and let these criminals continue. It's not just my money being lost but the fact that they are so blatant about it. I'm guessing they have scammed from my research over $500,000 or more.

I'll personally start gathering the information from you guys if you send it the yahoo account I just made: webstorescamreport@yahoo.com I don't honestly believe we will ever get our money back but we may someday have the satisfaction of having these thieves caught. I'm posting this same message on other sites as I find time this week.

To help catch these guys if you were a victim

Please include:

Name, address, western union receipt info or scan of it and any relavent contact information. This information will only be presented to an authority once enough info to make a meaningful case is gathered. I will not accept any information omitting Western Union receipts/transaction numbers because that's the only way I can tell if you actually sent cash from a valid Western Union transaction# In the end pattern will be clear. The emails are almost word for word the same.

The top ways to identify this site is
1. WESTERN UNION PAYMENT
2. Mininum order amount
3. Prices well under other online electronic stores on "all" the electronics sold
4. The template they are using "for now" see http://www.onlinewintersale.com and http://www.discount-webstore.com


Thank you guys. I will honestly try my best to organize the data. I was embarrased when I found out I lost my money but now I'm ready to stop whining and do something about it. These sites are going to kill if many online shoppers start getting wide-eyed right before

[digitech1]

Originally Posted by boostedtsi

If they did accept credit card payments, the people could be traced in a heart beat. W either or not the local (to them) police do anything is different.

If they did as you said and mocked the sale and error'd the CC sale page (like you said just to gain your CC info) then the first time they tried to use it they could be traced in a heart beat. Granted yes you would have to deal with CC company but most are getting much much better about these scams. And you would get that money back...

1. I only read a few of the postings.
2. I was (as I typed several times) not meaning to come off 'high and mighty' in that post.
3. If you saw signs that it not seem right (only one way to pay maybe?) why did you not take a step back and investigate?

What I posted was completely legit, you need to look at things not take them for face value. Do not become so wrapped up in the 'low low price' that your common sense takes a walk on you.

Have I messed up? sure. But I have not been taken online (accept the afore mentioned Ebay) where you always shoot the dice anyway.

If you let yourself be swayed by the $$$ signs and ignore things that you probably saw that clued you off in someway that this might not be a good thing to do. Again, then maybe it takes something like this to 'wake you up'. I am not in any way happy that anyone got ripped off by these people, but in my eyes there was PLENTY of things that would have made me steer well clear of them. Again, maybe I just see through things way too easy, I guess that comes with hearing about others being ripped off by the same scam.

Hell I have avoided sellers on ebay for refusing paypal as a form of payment many a times. Maybe I just learned quickly from others' goof ups not to trust people that insist on wire transfer as payment...

Just so you know, he agreed with everything I said, so by default so do you...

Not to argue but "common sense" is not to blame. Low low prices are often associated with wholesale and probably what many come to think of at first being that the site had a minimum purchase amount. The site even went by www.wholesale-4all.com

The main way people commit identify theft is by collecting Credit Card and personal information. They don't have to use it themselves, they can sell the information or "share" it. Electronic I.D. Theft is very very common. You would have submitted your Name, Address, Phone Number, Credit Card# and maybe P.I.N. (verifier)from back of CC. So I'm not sure what you are arguing? This is not a debate about how to scam. This is an informative thread on this ring of fraudulent websites. Nothin' personal dude.

Again I'm not here to argue or defend but everybody has a different perspective. We don't all see the glass "half empty" so to speak. You were perhaps subconsciously "educated" in a sense because of experience, whether your own or someone elses. Not everyone is exposed to this environment.

If you grow up in the big city New York - your mentality is different than living in the middle of Kansas. You walk the streets differently, you look at people differently, you watch for different things. You know what to buy from where and whom. Street-wise.

Does coming from one place or the other make one have more "common sense" than the other?

It is a little immature to say "so by default so do you.." but hopefully we are all adults here. I actually feel that you are frustrated that people are falling for these scams because they are so obvious to you but remember, you are whom you are because of your experiences.

Okay, okay. I promised not to keep going on but everybody has to be "sensitive" to victims of any crime. Being positive goes a long way such as maybe being constructive and make some suggestions based on your knowledge and experience that could be of help. Share your knowledge... If you have this "eye" for fraud, contribute. Help post sites that are highly visible that you may have come across.

Instead of saying
"3. If you saw signs that it not seem right (only one way to pay maybe?) why did you not take a step back and investigate?"

say

"I've observed these sites have one way to pay. From my experience and knowledge I know to stay away from these sites. You can educate yourself by stepping back and investigating. I found this info helpful so I'm sharing this link: http://onguardonline.gov/index.html "

Thank you for sharing your opinion, you have some interesting points.

Sorry again, I'm use to debating.....