New Scammers: EusaTech Electronics, more..

[qwerty55]

http://www.universe-webstore.com and http://www.universewebstore.com both look down now. Can anyone else confirm?

[pwjarman]

I saw this too late.

I lost my $'s on purchse at www.discounts-webstore.com this week. I was sent there by Froogle.

[melkahn]

Hey folsk
Tanks for this information, I almost ordered from these people!
How does one get the atty general or western union involved????

Here is the thread of my conversation with this entity.

"Actually YOU ARE A SCAM and you should be ashamed of yourself.

But the authorities are on to you and you will be unable to continue to rob people.

This is what I found when I looked you up online.

Here's the complaint that I submitted to the FTC:

I'm extremely suspicious of this company/website (www.discounts-webstore.com). While I didn’t pay them anything, I did place an order. Their minimum order value is $500 and the only form of payment they accept is Western Union Wire Transfer to Italy. Also, I think their phone is permanently unanswered…I’m able to leave a message only. The website has only been registered since September, also suspicious. Before anybody loses money to them, they need to be investigated. Thank you.
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Sites to avoid:
http://www.discounts-webstore.com/
http://eica-frauds.org/verify2.php
http://eica-frauds.org/verify3.php
http://www.universe-electronics.com
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The web needs a central site to report and investigate fraudulent websites. I hope nobody gets scammed by these guys.
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Never pay someone who only lets you send a wire-transfer...especially to a foreign country!




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From: Discounts Webstore, Inc. [mailto:sales@discountsweb-encrypted.com]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 6:20 PM

Subject: RE: Customer Service







We are an EicaFrauds.org certified store, not a scam.

Thank you for your interest in our products!

Best Regards,
Michael Connelly
Customer Service Department
Discounts Webstore, Inc.
Phone: +1 877-237-0241
Fax: +1 407-264-8924
http://www.discounts-webstore.com



How am I guaranteed delivery of the products then?





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From: Discounts Webstore, Inc. [mailto:sales@discountsweb-encrypted.com]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:11 PM

Subject: Customer Service



Arthur,

We only accept Western Union Money Transfer Service® (Money in Minutes) as payment method.


Thank you for your interest in our products!

Best Regards,

Michael Connelly
Customer Service Department
Discounts Webstore, Inc.
phone: 877-237-0241
fax: 407-264-8924
http://www.discounts-webstore.com

[qwerty55]

If you are American and have been scammed by these guys, you should:

1.) If the funds have not been picked up yet, call Western Union immediately. They will put a stop on it and return your money.
2.) File a mail fraud complaint with the USPS - wire fraud is within their jurisdiction: http://www.usps.com/postalinspectors...dComplaint.htm - It generally takes the postal service about 6 weeks to get back to you in my experience.
3.) File a police report in your local juridiction - This is a necessary step. Once you have done this, it is up to your local police to follow up with authorities in other locations as needed. Whatever you do, do not label this as a computer crime. Tell them you want to file a wire fraud complaint or depending on the amount of money, it may be a larceny complaint. BTW, you can use this police report as a tax deduction when you file your Federal income tax returns even if your local police turn out to be ineffective.

Whatever you do, don't expect law enforcement to respond quickly or to really want to pursue your cause. LE generally takes the path of least resistance. They tend to make quick arrests in cases that don't require much work on their behalf and the rest hit the "dead letter" file. Usually, LE regardless of office do not want to handle computer crimes and do not have staff for computer crimes. You will often get the excuse that they don't have the resources to investigate your crime, especially if the $ amount is less than $1k and it has anything to do with a computer. I've had trouble in the past getting even the Boston police to go after an ebay seller who sold me $1500 in counterfeit sandisk product even though he was in indiana and he was paid by corporate check. Just because email was involved, I must have gotten the "computer crime resources" excuse about 20 times and all they needed to do was file charges and start arrest/extradition proceedings. Make sure you constantly keep calling and annoy the crap out of them. Always make sure the detective you talk to always gives you another contact to call if he says he can't do anything about it or it's the wrong department. It's more work chasing the cops to get them to do their job than if I got on a plane and broke the guy's legs myself. I even gave them a copy of the guy's tax assessment for his home and a copy of his resume, and the boston police still used the computer crime excuse.

As for the FTC - they don't do anything. Don't expect a damn thing from these guys. They care more about fining people who spam fax machines with vacation and mortgage offers than helping you with a foireign scam purchase.

As for the FBI - They won't get involved unless it's over $25k with a minimum of $10k per incident and if you do end up getting ripped off, you will find the first person they will investigate is always you. I had a friend who ran an internet business and someone in SE Asia cloned his credit card processing system using his merchant account info. They issued a $25k "refund" to a Turkish visa - effectively stealing $25k from his bank account. You know what happened when a complaint was filed with the FBI? For 2 weeks, he was under surveillance at his home and was questioned every 2 months for over a year. At no point was his money returned. The credit card processing company made him eat it in the end.

The only LE agency I have ever seen a good response from was the Secret Service. I knew a guy who had a scan of a $10 bill on his pc at my old college and he accidentally shared the directory on his computer on the campus network. A 'good samaritan' called the secret service and complained that he had high resolution scans of a $10 bill on his pc, and within 2 days 3 secret service agents showed up, ransacked his room, took his computer equipment, grilled him for 8 hours, and finally stuck him with 3 felonies.

If this guy had a scan of a $10 bill on his webserver, they would be on his ass in days. Considering how many different ISP's he uses and how poorly configured some of them have been, it's most likely just a matter of time before someone might find some high resolution scans of US currency on one of his webservers...Now, wouldn't that be interesting.

[shaggz]

here is another one of their sites:

www.webstoreuniverse.com (it was alive and active just checked and it said it was suspended) -- same for everyone else?

[shaggz]

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Dear Ken,

You can use your credit card for the payment. Please check Western Union online payments: https://wumt.westernunion.com/info/o...ferOptions.asp



Thank you for your interest in our products!

Best Regards,
Damian Jenkins
Customer Service Department
Discounts Webstore, Inc.
Phone: +1 877-237-0241
Fax: +1 407-264-8924
http://www.discounts-webstore.com




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[miroB]

Originally Posted by qwerty55

Hey, you called it. They ripped off your "about us" word for word. I'd hate to be a pessimist, but the best you can really do to these guys get their domain pulled and if their ISP is actually responsive you could get their account disabled. I don't think that will really deter them from popping up elsewhere considering they have a considerable history of pulling this scam in the past.

BTW, have you considered getting the US Attorney General's office involved? If you go that route, you should be able to force Western Union to cooperate with Interpol to grab whoever is doing their cash collection in Italy. Of course, pulling their domain, etc - would kind of blow that possibility.

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[Lara RR]

Almost identical sites except for the WHOIS:

http://www.ibcim.org/
http://www.eicafrauds.org/

[digitech1]

Because I was recently cheated out of my hard earned money I took the task of working for last 3 days straight on investigating and gathering all the facts about this site.

http://www.discountsweb-encrypted.com
http://www.pizda-store.com
http://www.discounts-webstore.com
http://www.discountwebstore.us

I talked to several people but a lady at Yahoo was the one who seemed to help the most.

She was able to use tools to track down exactly where the sites were being hosted and give me all that info. I took it from there and forwarded all the info I had gathered yesterday to the host and made several complaints to every search engine it was listed under. As of today I can't get to the site! Victory?

http://www.discount-webstore.com is still up.

Well I know from research they will appear again under a different name but I'll be lookin' for them. I'll never get my money back but I will not got out without fighting. If I don't fight them then who really will?

[4JJJJ]

I like "Web Scouter" have been Scammed for a lot of money from the above site, I did not search the ratings pages as I should have, my bad luck, I see that "Qwerty 55" has done a lot of work finding out about the site.

As a person not conversant with internet sites etc and technical jargon, is there any action I can take to get this and other sites like it off the Internet.

I would appreciate any and all suggestions.

Thanks Guy's