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Old 06-04-2006, 08:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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SHOCKING NEW REVELATIONS ABOUT REBATES !

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Originally Posted by MSNNews by Melinda Fullmer
The pitches are irresistible: Get a $100 hard drive for $30 after rebate. Score the latest $150 cell phone with digital camera for nada. Make $10 by mailing in a rebate form for virus-protection software.
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Now, nearly a third of all computer products and 20% of electronics, such as digital cameras and flat-screen TVs, are sold with rebates, according to the NPD Group. In part, that's because only an estimated 50% to 70% of buyers redeem them.

But these discounts are not always the sure bargains that consumers think they are. Many manufacturers and retailers have come under scrutiny for delaying payment, imposing hard-to-fulfill restrictions or making forms too complex -- and therefore, too easy to reject.

In Vic Giannini's case, the rebate check came, but it couldn't be cashed. The Akron, Ohio, retiree received the $45 rebate he was promised for purchasing a Maxtor hard drive from online retailer Tiger Direct. After he deposited the check, he got a notice from his bank, stating that the account with Tiger Direct's fulfillment house, Onrebate.com, could not be found. To make matters worse, the bank charged him a $25 fee for processing the invalid check.

"Then I was out $70," Giannini complained. He says he called and e-mailed both Tiger Direct and Onrebate.com, and got no response.

So Giannini posted a report complaining about his experience on www.ripoffreport.com and threatened to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission, the primary agency overseeing rebate abuse. Onrebate.com has since offered to cut Giannini a new check.

"What they are banking on is (that) you aren't even going to bother," Giannini said.
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"They make it so you have to jump through all these tiny little hoops," said Ed Magedson, editor and founder of the Ripoffreport.com. "And then when you do, they say you didn't get it there on time."

With consumer complaints to the FTC and Better Business Bureau escalating, regulators are ramping up their scrutiny of rebates.

[/I]The FTC has fined a handful of companies for failing to pay consumers or for paying them late[/I]. Last year, it settled its first case with a retailer, Dallas-based CompUSA, for knowingly advertising rebates from computer peripherals manufacturer QPS Inc., even after CompUSA officials knew the manufacturer wasn't paying the rebates or was paying them as much as six months late. Indeed, the FTC said CompUSA continued to advertise the rebates until shortly before QPS filed for bankruptcy protection in August 2002.

Now, after settling with the FTC, CompUSA must advertise a specific time frame for rebates. The retailer must also bear financial responsibility for any rebates not paid during the time specified.

[ ]A CompUSA spokesman declined comment on the settlement, other than to say, "We feel we do an excellent job of fulfilling rebates to the benefit of our customers." [ ]

However, at least one customer says CompUSA's rebate problems haven't been solved.

Bill Rubin, a 40-year-old operations manager in Yorktown Heights, N.Y., is still waiting for $56 of the $161 in rebates he was promised last August after a $195 purchase of Hawking Technologies networking equipment at CompUSA. Both Hawking Technologies and CompUSA say the money is on its way -- after many complaints -- but Rubin is still waiting, long past the promised 10- to 12-week window.

"You learn your lessons from some of this stuff," Rubin said. In this case, he said, he will never buy Hawking products again and will look twice to see who's handling a rebate before making a purchase.

There ought to be a law …
"Everyone I know has horror stories about rebates," said California State Sen. Liz Figueroa, who introduced a bill in 2004 to establish guidelines for mail-in rebates. That bill, which would have given consumers 30 days to apply for a rebate after purchase and guaranteed payment 60 days after application, passed the California House and Senate, only to be shot down later that year by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger .

However, with growing bipartisan support for rebate reform and new advisers in the governor's office, Figueroa plans to reintroduce the bill.

"Republicans and Democrats," she says with a laugh, "we all agree on one thing: We hate rebates."

Other states have also begun tackling rebate issues on their own.

One of the first to take action was New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer. Spitzer settled a case with cell-phone maker Samsung Electronics America in 2004 for failing to pay rebates. The company agreed to pay $200,000 to more than 4,100 consumers whose rebates were denied simply because they lived in apartment buildings.[ ! ] Samsung's rebate system only allowed one rebate per address and didn't have space to submit apartment numbers.

In Connecticut, state officials are now investigating several retailers that list only prices after rebate in their ads -- a practice that is illegal in the state.

Meanwhile, Massachusetts, in conjunction with 40 other states, is taking on a company that handles rebates. It has sued the nation's largest rebate fulfillment company, Minnesota-based Young America Corp., demanding that it submit to an audit of the uncashed rebate checks it has kept in recent years -- money known in the industry as "slippage" -- in exchange for charging its clients lower processing fees.

"There is an appearance of deception here," Cahill said. "We want to shine some sunlight on this practice. It sends a message to other firms. They are holding onto other people's money that doesn't belong to them."
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Cahill says he is also "concerned" by some of the confusing forms used to deny consumers their money.

For their part, Young America officials say they have refused audits in Massachusetts and other states because they don't believe uncashed rebates are unclaimed property, a claim it says has been affirmed by the states of Minnesota and Oklahoma, where it previously had operations.

Young America Chief Executive Roger Andersen says that his company has no incentive to reject applicants to keep the money.

"We don't get any checks or funds for disqualified customers," he said.

[Huh?] He admits, though, that some retail clients have pushed for confusing programs that would result in a lower redemption rate.[ ] "We decided that we didn't want to do business with them," Andersen said. "Anything that gives our industry a bad name…is going to erode the acceptability of rebates as a promotional tool."

Indeed, at least one major retailer, Minneapolis-based Best Buy, has said it plans to eliminate all mail-in rebates by 2007. Last week, the company said it was no longer advertising mail-in rebates for laptop computers and was instead offering instant savings. Best Buy also recently launched an online rebate submission tool, so customers don't have to mail in forms and UPC codes.
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6 keys to getting the rebate you earned


Contact the company if the rebate doesn't arrive within the time promised. Most retailers, manufacturers and rebate fulfillment companies have Web sites and 800 numbers where you can track your rebate and complain if your rebate stalls or is rejected. (Many customers have said that they were able to reverse a rejection or resolve a problem with one phone call.)

If the rebate never arrives or arrives late, file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission, your state attorney general or the local Better Business Bureau.

If all else fails, set up your own Web site or post on someone else's blog to draw attention to the issue. One enterprising consumer set up www.radioshackrebatefraud.com last month, when it looked like he and other consumers would not get the two rebates Radio Shack promised in a one-day pre-Christmas promotion on its Web site. Several weeks and several TV interviews later, the company said it would honor both rebates, which were held up by a company input error. Radio Shack and other retailers such as Tiger Direct say they monitor many shopping forums and consumer gripe sites and will try and correct any unresolved customer issues they see.

Lastly, only buy things you can afford without the rebate. While fulfillment company Young America claims it now processes rebates in a third of the time it used to, the reality is that some rebates can be held up for months.
FULL DISCLOSURE:Please Note , daDOOOOG has edited the text be deleting paragraphs, added bolding of names, and supplied emphasis by Italics.

Also, I might add that many of the complaints about Buy.com at RESELLERRatings are that items stated to be "In STOCK"..err..weren't, and therefore they missed the time limit for filing the REBATE.
See Don't Buy.com: An Advisory at this forum fo further info about this business practice.

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Old 06-10-2006, 08:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice post.

I'm surprised that they didn't mention how well staples "easy" rebates work.

Others should adapt that method.
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Old 06-26-2006, 07:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I hardly ever buy items that have a rebate attached to them, but I just received a check from Linksys for a rebate on a wireless access point that I bought about 2 months ago from CompUSA. I bought an MSI motherboard that had a rebate directly from MSI and it took about the same length of time to get my rebate money back. In my experience, it takes awhile to get the money back. Don't expect it to come immediately.
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I used a Staples "Easy" rebate. It was truly awesome:
easy to do, no postage required, available like they said it was, check arrived in short order. A good experience all around. Now, what am I going to do with a free pad of Inkjet printable post-it notes? (Really, got a good deal on a hard-drive and some other things.)
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Old 10-28-2006, 09:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Sleazy companies like OnRebate hire their own damage control personnel. Go to almost any blog, website, or forum where people are voicing their complaints and you'll see them. The payment these people receive after so much deliberation amounts to nothing more than hush money. I shouldn't have to become a celebrity to get my rebate in. Lets close these crooked rebate mills down. Boycott the vendors that do business with them or at least call them up and tell them you wont be buying their product even though its a few bucks cheaper than the other guys after MIR because the MIR is a fraud.
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I had this problem with Samsung on a 17" LCD. Their rebate vendor said I did not mail in all documentions which was not true. I photo copied everything they requested to be sent in. The vendor said I would have to wait another six weeks. I called Samsung HQ and they told me that it was out-of-their-hands.

Guess what, I waited six weeks more weeks to get this rebate, for a total of three months. Since then I have not and never will purchase another Samhung again !!!!!!!!
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I had this problem with Samsung on a 17" LCD. Their rebate vendor said I did not mail in all documentions which was not true. I photo copied everything they requested to be sent in. The vendor said I would have to wait another six weeks. I called Samsung HQ and they told me that it was out-of-their-hands.

Guess what, I waited six weeks more weeks to get this rebate, for a total of three months. Since then I have not and never will purchase another Samhung again !!!!!!!!
Was it a manufactures rebate or a store rebate? If it was a store rebate then of course Samsung would have nothing to do with it. And even in the case of a manufactures rebate, these are often contracted out to third party company's.
Only waiting three months is not bad. There was a guy on here last spring that waited 4 and a half years for a rebate, in fact he had forgotten all about it.
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nomaxim, it was the manufacture, Samhung, who issued the rebate. This rebate vendor, who name I do not remember had a series of problems. They even made it into one of Forbus issues.
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nomaxim, it was the manufacture, Samhung, who issued the rebate. This rebate vendor, who name I do not remember had a series of problems. They even made it into one of Forbus issues.
Why would you buy a monitor from a Cambodian Silk Screen Printer? http://www.yellowpages-cambodia.com/...ltd-22648.html
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Samhung Cambodia Co Ltd
N° 8VB
12101 Phnom Penh, Cambodia
* Tel023 884 713
* Fax023 883 574
* Mobile Phone012 970 580
* Mobile Phone016 970 580
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* Silk Screen Printing
Or do you mean Samsung.
And did you buy directly from Samsung or from another outlet?
Have you posted a review for the seller?
And what is Forbus? Or do you mean Forbes. If so can you post a link to the article?
Not to be rude, but to intentionally misspell a company's name is misleading. Many company's have similarly spelled names/URL's and you don't want to blame a company for something another company did.
For example;
http://www.resellerratings.com/forum...28&postcount=6
http://www.resellerratings.com/forum...67&postcount=2
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This rebate vendor, who name I do not remember had a series of problems.
Shouldn't this company be held accountable in some way?

PS. Personally, I stay away from rebates.

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Personally,I don't find anything I hear about the whole rebate approach "shocking".I long ago decided it's just another marketing ploy to get people to buy,when looking for a product I go solely on a vendor's actual price and ignore any rebate attached,if they can't offer a decent price without the rebate,I look elsewhere.
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