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Old 12-12-2004, 04:44 AM   #1 (permalink)
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FrozenCPU: Do you see a pattern?

On 12/1 I posted a negative review for FrozenCPU here -
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller2013-p3-s1-d1.html

On the morning of 12/1 after I got off the phone with the employee at FCPU I decided to order the Mach II from the same vendor I got the adapter kit from. They also happens to be the sole distributor for the Mach II in the U.S. I purchased it at $200 more than the price FCPU had. Ouch.

On 12/2 I miss a call from the president of FCPU but later I see an e-mail from him saying he wants to work on getting me a Mach II and he has seen my RR review. I reply I'll call him in the morning. A couple more post trade hands that night confirming the time I place my call in the morning to the employee I spoke to originally. I'm stuck by the how late these guys are working. The holiday season obviously must be in full swing for FCPU.

12/3: In the morning I hear from the employee that they would be willing to sell me a Mach II for $525. I was hoping to be offered the item at the original $400 price. The employee says they can't do that since the original item is no longer available and the new Mach II they are offering is different and better. I ask him to e-mail me the offer.

At this point I wonder which model I have coming from the distributor. I look around the internet looking for any mention of a change in design or model number for the Mach II. I can't find any so I fire off some e-mail inquiries. I pick up the phone and talk to a person at the distributor about the Mach II that they have sent me. He tells me that there have been no design changes and the one that I will receive would be no different from the one I could expect from an authorized reseller now, or earlier in the year. At no point in the conversation, did I mention FCPU.

In my reply in to their e-mail offer, I asked that since according to their distributor, the model they are offering me should be no different from the one they were selling last week, I would like the original price offered.

I got a call from FCPU's president. He was not happy. He asked if I had purchased a Mach II from their distributor. I confirmed this. He said that my RR review, and subsequent actions had upset multiple employees and he alluded to some possible friction between himself and his distributor. Despite the upset I caused he was still willing to sell me the Mach II at $525, although the offer was contingent on a retraction of my original RR review. When I asked him about which portions of the review that caused the upset, he only touched upon the fact that I had used an employee's name and that it was a very long review relative to the average length of reviews. He did not object to or contest the sequence of event that I had related in the review. He did not mention if some of the suggestions with regard to their auto e-mails would be considered. I asked if I could think about his offer and get back to him. At that point he withdrew the offer. He asked me not to shop with FCPU again. He told me that he would get RR to void my review since no transaction had taken place. He also let me know that he and his employees found me to be a very annoying person.

I know that the holiday season is a very stressful time for retailers for a variety of reasons. In addition to those factors, FCPU deals with customers who's profiles differs from the average consumer by being more demanding, yet lack interpersonal social skills, y'know gamers. Maybe FCPU deals with this all day. Maybe the call I got from FCPU's president was fueled by all those elements. I don't think any of my actions warranted the openly hostile call I got.

I decided I would update my review but ran into a problem with the maximum characters allowed for a review. I contacted RetailerRatings via e-mail about this. On 12/6 a RR representative replied and encourged me to post the update into the General Discussion and Buyer Guidance forum.

On 12/7 the RR rep sent me an e-mail saying they had to pull my review because FCPU told them I never had a valid transaction because I was never charged for the Mach II. RR asked me to provide proof, which I promptly did and they reinstated my review shortly thereafter.

When I went to the RR site to see if my review was back up and I see the following:
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Old 12-12-2004, 04:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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So I take a look at the profile name since it seems familiar ...
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Old 12-12-2004, 04:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Look at some of posts for that member and here's what I see.
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Old 12-12-2004, 05:13 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Is it possible that FCPU has such a laser like focus on their Retailerrating number that they would try to "game" the number?

Would FCPU try to have reviews that they don't like, deactivated by RR even if they must claim falsely that no transaction has taken place?

Is FCPU writing some of their own reviews?

Are FCPU's ratings tainted by the fact they offer discounts, free t-shirts, etc. on your next order if you give them a RR review? The offer is within the RR rules since it does not specifically solicit for positive reviews only. But since the only way to claim the offer is with a phone order can you imagine someone giving the negative review then calling them and saying something along the lines of "You guys suck, now give me a free t-shirt!" ?

Is it possible I received treatment that differed from others based on the fact I posted a negative RR review?
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=839241
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Old 12-12-2004, 05:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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BTW - After I got my screen shots I let my contact at RR take a look at the review from "frozencpu" and RR pulled the review. Tip of the cap to RR for doing the right thing even though FCPU represents some revenue to them.
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Old 12-12-2004, 09:42 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I work in customer service myself and I know how difficult it can be sometimes to deal with some people and fact is, some customers cannot be satisfied. You have certain infrastructure and mistakes just happen sometimes. On the one hand I tend to agree with frozencpu that perhaps you fall into this category (quoting you: FCPU deals with customers who's profiles differs from the average consumer by being more demanding, yet lack interpersonal social skills, y'know gamers) That does indicate some arrogance and immaturity on your part.

On the other hand taking your side this time, I tend to agree that frozencpu's customer service may need some polishing especially if they do their own reviews. That's unheard of and totally unacceptable. And even if a customer really is the most annoying person, you never tell him that!

Other than that, I still think FCPU ranks among the top sellers in terms of having an awesome variety of products to choose from, although a bit on the pricey side. Question that comes to my mind is, what justifies a higher price? In the company I work for, our excellent customer service justifies paying a little more.
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Old 12-12-2004, 11:01 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Caebron, thanks for pointing out the fact that I referred to a stereotype of gamers as perhaps being "demanding, yet lack interpersonal social skills" and I hereby apologize to all gamers for my arrogance and immaturity, and withdraw the comment. That I slamed gamers within the context of a purely speculative defense of FCPU makes it that much worse.
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Old 12-12-2004, 08:43 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Looks as Frozen has ran into the wrong person. Kudos to you for exposing them.

And I was going to place an order tomorrow morning.

Thanks, back to Newegg I go.
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Old 12-12-2004, 09:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I would give high remarks for the president of frozencpu.com for paying personal attentions to customers' feedback.

Sure, he is motivated by business not love. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with a business strategy that is built on customer satisfection and loyalty. You may doubt his sincerity of doing the right thing. Well, welcome to capitalism.
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Old 12-14-2004, 09:43 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Way to show your maturity.

I've ordered around $2k in parts from Frozen cpu. Which pales in comparison to the oodles I've spent at Newegg. Never had a problem with Frozen cpu. As I sell computers I can say this, price mistakes happen. Distributors screw up. Learn to live with it- they don't owe you anything. Sounds to me like they offered you an awesome price on a mach2, probably the price they were paying for it in order to get your negative review removed. Instead you played the role of the ignorant customer and didn't listen to reason and wanted what the website said. It isn't like they purposely put that price on there site to mislead you. I for one don't want them giving you prices below cost because they have to compensate for that by charging everyone else more. Just my .02
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