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MDdan · 11-10-2002, 08:30 PM

Can someone tell me why new diesel engines are a no go in the US?

Simple Comparison

Base Invoice Prices

2003 Volkswagen Golf GL TDI 4 Dr Hatchback
$15,771
Horsepower 90 @3750
Torque (lbs/ft) 155 @1900
42 mpg city and 49 mpg highway

2003 Honda Civic Hybrid 4 Dr Sedan
$17,864
Horsepower 93 @5700
Torque (lbs/ft) 116 @1500
46 miles per gallons City and 51 miles per gallon Highway

2003 Toyota Prius 4 Dr Sedan
$18,793
Horsepower 70 @4500
Torque (lbs/ft) 82 @4200
52 city and 45 highway

The Volkswagon TDI, drives awesome, doesn't stink, is very reliable...it's a great engine. In fact, if you look at the standard features, and the overall car, I think the Golf smokes the other two. Take a Golf and a Prius to a race track and compare them. LOL...one of the two doesn't belong. Plus the Golf costs less! VW started selling the TDI in the 90's here in the states...it's a proven engine. Besides, it HAS to be more reliable than the gas/ electric/battery goofiness of the hybrids.

Audi built a 3 cyl TDI engine that gets even better mileage and still has good power for smaller cars.

http://www.audiworld.com/news/01/081401/content.shtml
http://www.autoworld.com/news/audi/a2-1.2.htm
http://www.schwab-kolb.com/audipr35.htm

Maybe one of you metric usin' Europeans can set me straight, but my estimate is that 3 litres to 100km is around 80mpg. That sure smokes the stupid hybrids.

Folks, the technology is there, we're just not buying it. Why? I don't know the numbers, but diesel passenger cars are much more poplular in Europe.

If Audi sold one of those little things in the states, I'd sell my Hyundai Elantra and go pick one up. And if I were replacing my Elantra today, I'd go buy a Golf or Jetta TDI.

Heck, I'd buy a full electric car well before this hybrid junk. At least the full electric car isn't hauling around two engines.

11-10-2002, 08:30 PM	#30 (permalink)
MDdan Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 802	Can someone tell me why new diesel engines are a no go in the US? Simple Comparison Base Invoice Prices 2003 Volkswagen Golf GL TDI 4 Dr Hatchback $15,771 Horsepower 90 @3750 Torque (lbs/ft) 155 @1900 42 mpg city and 49 mpg highway 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid 4 Dr Sedan $17,864 Horsepower 93 @5700 Torque (lbs/ft) 116 @1500 46 miles per gallons City and 51 miles per gallon Highway 2003 Toyota Prius 4 Dr Sedan $18,793 Horsepower 70 @4500 Torque (lbs/ft) 82 @4200 52 city and 45 highway The Volkswagon TDI, drives awesome, doesn't stink, is very reliable...it's a great engine. In fact, if you look at the standard features, and the overall car, I think the Golf smokes the other two. Take a Golf and a Prius to a race track and compare them. LOL...one of the two doesn't belong. Plus the Golf costs less! VW started selling the TDI in the 90's here in the states...it's a proven engine. Besides, it HAS to be more reliable than the gas/ electric/battery goofiness of the hybrids. Audi built a 3 cyl TDI engine that gets even better mileage and still has good power for smaller cars. http://www.audiworld.com/news/01/081401/content.shtml http://www.autoworld.com/news/audi/a2-1.2.htm http://www.schwab-kolb.com/audipr35.htm Maybe one of you metric usin' Europeans can set me straight, but my estimate is that 3 litres to 100km is around 80mpg. That sure smokes the stupid hybrids. Folks, the technology is there, we're just not buying it. Why? I don't know the numbers, but diesel passenger cars are much more poplular in Europe. If Audi sold one of those little things in the states, I'd sell my Hyundai Elantra and go pick one up. And if I were replacing my Elantra today, I'd go buy a Golf or Jetta TDI. Heck, I'd buy a full electric car well before this hybrid junk. At least the full electric car isn't hauling around two engines.